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Well the entirety of the numbers (not cherry-picked outliers from areas with unusually high vaccination rates) suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But the wonderful thing about science it is that it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else personally believes - the truth is the truth regardless and eventually presents itself.
Also for the record Israel's fully vaccinated rate is 59%, which is better than our 49%, but not incredibly different. I think there's little doubt that their 41% are driving their spread a whole lot more than their 59% are.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bus...e-2021-7%3fampQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
First line...
"First, the bad news: People who are fully vaccinated can spread the Delta variant just as easily as those who are unvaccinated, according to an internal presentation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention obtained by The Washington Post...."
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Israel has reached the herd immunity threshold for vaccination, and yet, cases are steadily on the rise
According to a leaked internal document rather than an official announcement? Ok, if that goes anywhere, fine, but even that is only referring to Delta, not COVID as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And no, 59% has never been established as "herd immunity." There are several states above that threshold and none of them have been declared as such.
June 1st, they had 80% of adults vaccinatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
https://www.businessinsider.com/isra...mmunity-2021-6
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So are you saying that it's the unvaccinated spreading and getting it? Weird that they want booster shots
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/delt...-elderly-.html
A lot of those are common sense but I am out on the masks and was out as soon as they forced it on people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Exactly. The US used to be a place where you could do what you wanted and you didnt have to cry about what someone else wanted to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
The cdc confirmed today the leaked document is valid. It was part of a presentation the cdc is getting ready to make. Vaccinated are not getting it as much as unvaccinated, and vaccinated are not getting near as sick, but when they do get it they are spreading it at the same rate as unvaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Some perspective from the "front lines" in the COVID unit.
And also my two cents.
I got called to cover the COVID unit where I work this weekend. I saw 12 patients personally over two days. Our COVID units across the board had a total of 110 as of Sunday so yes, small sample size here.
Most of the patients I saw were unvaccinated. The grand totals were of the 12- 4 were vaccinated, 1 had received the first dose, and then the other 7 had not received a dose at all.
What was interesting and something that never gets talked about was several of my patients did not initially come to hospital because of COVID symptoms. Like one of my patients was in a car wreck, one hit her head on concrete and suffered a spinal cord injury, one had a stroke, one had kidney failure...but since the hospital tested them they showed up as having COVID. It made me wonder how often this is happening across the country because it's definitely happening where I work.
Another thing I found interesting was that the patients I saw across the board they all- again small sample size- seemed to be tolerating COVID better than my patients from other spikes. They were able to move around better in general and were able to recover more quickly. As an aside for some more data- on our therapy lists we only had 25 consults out of the 110 meaning that most patients didn't need to have therapy at all. Or they weren't stable enough. I can't really tell how much exactly without committing HIPPA violations and I have to pay for National Championship gear, so sorry! My guess is based on what I have seen is most patients are doing pretty well though.
So my two cents is this:
1. I don't think COVID will ever go away. I think it's going to be like the flu. There will be different strains every year and some will be worse than others. The vaccine obviously will not prevent you from getting it. That was a political promise gone bad. But the vaccine will help you from getting the worst possible case of it if you do get it and help your body to fight it. That means that we'll have to get COVID shots every year from now on.
2. Dr. Fauci is full of complete shit and no one should be listening to him or any other politician on this matter. Think about it- would you take advice from a politician on money matters, sports, or cooking? So why should you listen to one on medical matters? Very few have a medical background and are talking out of their ass half of the time. That goes for both parties. Instead what I would as a health care professional is encourage you to do your own research and make sure that it comes from an unbiased source. And then make your own informed decision based on that. And if you ask my opinion on the matter I would suggest you get the vaccine if medically possible. But if you choose not to for whatever reason I respect that as well. I'm not going to give you some guilt trip about how "I can't treat my patients that need me because you won't get the vaccine" BS. Just like I wouldn't tell that to one of my patients who got lung cancer who smoked most of their life or someone who got in a car wreck that was driving too fast and wasn't wearing a seat belt. Maybe at some point people will stop trying to babysit every one and actually live our lives and treat each other with respect.
Vaccinated are spreading it faster because they think they are bullet proof which they are not. Of the unvaccinated, 100 million have natural immunity so the lie being spread about the pandemic being among the unvaxed is untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
“Gain-of-function” is the euphemism for biological research aimed at increasing the virulence and lethality of pathogens and viruses. GoF research is government funded; its focus is on enhancing the pathogens’ ability to infect different species and to increase their deadly impact as airborne pathogens and viruses.
Mississippi is molasses
I’ll post this again….cliff notes version. My son, 3, tested positive last week…he previously tested positive last December when my whole family had it. The doctor completely disregarded his recent positive test. Doc said no one in the county had contracted it and tested positive a second time….yes there’s some wiggle room in what that actually means. He didn’t recommend quarantine or anything. So out of an abundance of caution we also had the more in depth multi day test done…PCR I believe, and sure enough it came back negative.
So all that to say, IF I had not already gotten it I would most likely be vaxxed. But based on this doctors reaction I feel good in my decision to not yet have taken it. I really don’t understand how someone can be so heavily pro vaccine without also recognizing the EXACT same effects of actually have the disease.
Fauchi must be good at his job. He's had the support of every administration since Reagan.
Here I how I know that COVId is no big deal.
Just watch the politicians - when they get caught out eating, going to concerts, Fauci when camera is off with no mask.
They are just selling all of you lies.
And many of you are falling for it
Sad, really. Most of America just isn?t smart enough for this stuff.
vaccines. Every single COVID vaccine now on the market was either developed or tested using cells from aborted babies. Some have claimed these cell lines might have derived from a miscarriage. This defies basic biology. Cells die quickly. As Jose Trasancos explained to us, “Establishing a living cell line from dead tissue is not possible.” These cell lines were not only derived from abortion. The researchers almost surely worked closely with the abortionist to preserve the tissue.
It’s simple to me, having it may very well give you immunity but we don’t know. So why not go for extra protection, especially vs the other variants. Any other conclusion leads me to think you are looking for a reason not to get vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
He has political connections. That's it. No different than any other "good ol boy" really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
That entire post is totally false. You really shouldn't believe everything you read on Facebook [or wherever you heard that]. Given the strength of the anti-abortion movement in the country, don't you think this would be blasted everywhere if it were true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/yo...ed-fetal-cells
https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questio...ses-ingredient
Etc. - you can find many more debunkings on Google if those aren't enough
My Covid post.
My extremely fit, healthy as a horse unvaccinated 21 year old son caught Covid at some family friends house. My wife and I were there also. We have both been vaccinated. My son had to be treated by a doctor and still ended up in the ER several days later. It was the sickest he has ever been. Two of the other people in the house ended up in the hospital. My wife and I were on the road for hours with my son in a car, staying in hotel rooms and living in a camper. We never got a sniffle.
My doctor says my son is good for a few months but then should get a vaccine after that time frame.
MD Anderson performed their own study and several weeks after the vaccination was out, they recommended it to their cancer patients. (That's what tipped the scale for my wife).
No idea what my point is. I guess just to say that I believe the Pfizer vaccine works.