Here Are the Facts, Fellas

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Depends on how good you want to be. Ethics is great. I submit that the entire college football system setup is unethical, therefore, operating within the bounds of an unethical model allows us to try and do whatever we can to get players in. Is that unethical? What's unethical is what happened to Makylan Pounders.

Point is, you don't win if you don't cheat. Period. There isn't a single successful program that sits at home and thinks about more ethical ways to acquire talent. If you don't acquire talent you don't win at a high level. So we need to find ways to acquire higher level talent. If we don't, we won't surpass where we've been.

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If you have verifiable proof of SEC teams cheating in recruiting, I suggest you reach out to NCAA enforcement. I would if I had verifiable proof. But I don?t. I know that there are 14 SEC Football programs with 14 different perceptions. And right now, as it has been for nearly 50 years, the perception is you cannot win consistently at 2 SEC programs, Vandy and MSU. But for some reason, the perception is that Ole Miss, Arkansas, UK, UT, Missouri, and South Carolina can put it together because of support that we cannot get financially.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And Cheat? Win at all costs - what ever happened to ethics? Has everybody lost their ever loving mind?

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Yeah, amazing isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

We had an evaluator that developed players but he left. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. We're stuck with Leach for a while. Better get used to it.

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Leach has a history of good evaluations as well. We need to upgrade our passing game personnel into this century first.(edit: Something that the great evaluator failed to do while here). Hopefully we did that by signing our highest rated QB ever by MSU and by Leach in all his years of coaching. Maybe we can find something to bitch at him about that too though***

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Originally Posted by AROB44

To Those that want to cheat ...... I hope you have ponied up your $$$$$. Or....are you just wanting to spend other people's money?

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Spending other people's money is now the American way so why would MSU be any different?

You don't fix corruption by more corruption. I know no one is saying fix it but just join in. We don't have to cheat to compete, we've proven that many times.

We need a cohesive approach to expecting better and doing something to get there. It will not come from the current administration. Our program is in worse shape than our friends up north that were ?decimated? by NCAA violations just about 4 years ago. So we can continue to be the nice guys or try to win. Being in the middle sucks.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Spending other people's money is now the American way so why would MSU be any different?

You don't fix corruption by more corruption. I know no one is saying fix it but just join in. We don't have to cheat to compete, we've proven that many times.

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I hate to be the one to tell ya, but we do cheat.

We're just really bad at it.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I hate to be the one to tell ya, but we do cheat.

We're just really bad at it.

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Bingo and if we tried to to it on a big time scale, we would get burned before that specific player, or players set foot on our campus. The OM lawyers are just waiting for us to do something stupid in football recruiting.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I hate to be the one to tell ya, but we do cheat.

We're just really bad at it.

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You nailed it.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Leach has a history of good evaluations as well. We need to upgrade our passing game personnel into this century first.(edit: Something that the great evaluator failed to do while here). Hopefully we did that by signing our highest rated QB ever by MSU and by Leach in all his years of coaching. Maybe we can find something to bitch at him about that too though***

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You make a good point!

If you guys want to cheat, or are fine with us knowingly cheating, then you have no room to complain about what OM, LSU, Bama or any other school does. You're either okay with cheating or not. If you are, then don't complain about LSU and OM stealing our recruits... Let's face it, whether we cheat or not, we'll never out recruit Bama, Auburn, A&M, or LSU. Starting every single year at best 5th in the SEC West in talent.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

We don't have to cheat to compete, we've proven that many times.

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I must've missed that SEC title

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Bingo and if we tried to to it on a big time scale, we would get burned before that specific player, or players set foot on our campus. The OM lawyers are just waiting for us to do something stupid in football recruiting.

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Then why don't we become organized and not do something stupid?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Then why don't we become organized and not do something stupid?

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Because our athletic department plays checkers while every one else plays chess. Look no further than this thread. We've got people who think we do things by the book and would rather lose by being "clean" than win by playing the game.

Fire Bracky Brett, and then we can get serious about competing in this league. Until then, we'll keep losing these battles more than we win them.

We should purge the Athletic Department like Leach did the Football team.

Maybe the highest rated for Leach but not for MSU. We've had at least one 5 star and that was Rodney Hudson. There have been several other 4 star guys.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Depends on how good you want to be. Ethics is great. I submit that the entire college football system setup is unethical, therefore, operating within the bounds of an unethical model allows us to try and do whatever we can to get players in. Is that unethical? What's unethical is what happened to Makylan Pounders.

Point is, you don't win if you don't cheat. Period. There isn't a single successful program that sits at home and thinks about more ethical ways to acquire talent. If you don't acquire talent you don't win at a high level. So we need to find ways to acquire higher level talent. If we don't, we won't surpass where we've been.

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Now, if we could just figure out, how to win, the next election!

Never mind.

Come out of her, My people.