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Originally Posted by Dawgsfanalongtime77

You can?t be dead last in rushing and expect the passing game to be worth a flip.

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this ... so simple but yet so profound.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He?s about 205 right now. Leach aint gonna let him get much bigger than 220ish.

His Arm is fine. He has to learn to never throw a 1on1 to 5. Waste of time and a likely pick

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I like Will's ability to evade but yes he needs to add some arm strength and that will happen just as it does to most folks ... several plays the ball was kinda lobbed instead of thrown, maybe that was more execution than lack of strength. I will say the last Hail Mary he threw against OM looked like he heaved it pretty good

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Originally Posted by Dawgsfanalongtime77

You can?t be dead last in rushing and expect the passing game to be worth a flip.

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It's not so much that we're dead last in rushing, it's that we are BY FAR dead last in rushing. Leach won 11 games two years ago with a team that only averaged 79 rushing yards a game. But we aren't even averaging 25 yards a game. Not just last in the country this year, last by a lot.

This is probably the worst offense that Leach will have here, and I don't have a problem with us being a pass first offense, but you can't be a pass only offense. It puts too much on the shoulders of your QB, and increases the likelihood of you having big, back-breaking mistakes.

Now, all that being said, we aren't even averaging 4 yards a carry when you remove sacks, so it's not like we have run the ball successfully when we have tried. It's obvious that our OL and RB's need to get stronger in the offseason, and we could probably use more innovation in the running game as well. I liked the pitch plays that we were running mid-season, but you haven't seen much of them the last few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

It's not so much that we're dead last in rushing, it's that we are BY FAR dead last in rushing. Leach won 11 games two years ago with a team that only averaged 79 rushing yards a game. But we aren't even averaging 25 yards a game. Not just last in the country this year, last by a lot.

This is probably the worst offense that Leach will have here, and I don't have a problem with us being a pass first offense, but you can't be a pass only offense. It puts too much on the shoulders of your QB, and increases the likelihood of you having big, back-breaking mistakes.

Now, all that being said, we aren't even averaging 4 yards a carry when you remove sacks, so it's not like we have run the ball successfully when we have tried. It's obvious that our OL and RB's need to get stronger in the offseason, and we could probably use more innovation in the running game as well. I liked the pitch plays that we were running mid-season, but you haven't seen much of them the last few weeks.

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Agree on your basic point of run/pass. We are not great at running because guess what, there is no emphasis on being good or even average at it. We don't practice it. You are not going to be good at something you don't emphasize and don't practice.

No one needs to say we don't have players to run. MSU has always had the players to run the ball. It is all coaching on not running and play calling, etc. He don't and won't run the ball, period. He had rather lose than run the ball or get creative trying to have balance. Plain and simple.

Two disaster hires in a row on your main job, Cohen has to go first before next football hire. No one would survive being this bad at your primary job.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I have seen a few ass whippings in my life. But I have hardly ever seen one like our WRs took last night. This was not a prevent or drop 8 like the experts here want you to believe. They punched our perimeter guys in the throat and got in their heads. Only ones with any dog in them are 31 and 85. The rest are the worst skill
players in the conference. Yes that includes 4 as well. He is pulling the Kylin hill. Drop it and he is hurt. I have seen enough of him. We could not block them nor catch the ball. That is where we lost the game.

They were so physical with us it threw our routes off by yards. Screwed the timing to hell. Will had some late throws and missed a sure TD to Tulu. That did Not help but he played well enough to win the game. He had several dimes that were dropped by 4 11 and 5

They kicked our ass on the perimeter on defense as well. They blocked us and won on a fade vs our best corner who was so busy running his mouth he forgot how to play man coverage. It was not awful coverage but he got beat and they let him know about it. Overall I thought the safeties were a lot better but they are still not SEC ready. They will be better next year with Dean and Peters back. MJ Daniels could start day 1.

The officials were bad. Both sides. Calling their hit on marks off but saying Spencer targeted their RB while he is being carted off is a shame and if I am that kids Dad I am finding out who made that call.

2 weeks in a row we lost on execution. No one to blame but ourselves. Leach has got to get some WRs in that will fight and can make plays . We are running an air raid with 2 decent WRs. Simple as that.

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the experts on this Board informed me that Brownlee and Drummond weren't any good but Heath was the real deal. Heath and Osirus are afraid and half-ass. for sure aren't 50-50 guys.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Agree on your basic point of run/pass. We are not great at running because guess what, there is no emphasis on being good or even average at it. We don't practice it. You are not going to be good at something you don't emphasize and don't practice.

No one needs to say we don't have players to run. MSU has always had the players to run the ball. It is all coaching on not running and play calling, etc. He don't and won't run the ball, period. He had rather lose than run the ball or get creative trying to have balance. Plain and simple.

Two disaster hires in a row on your main job, Cohen has to go first before next football hire. No one would survive being this bad at your primary job.

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If this ends up being a disaster I will agree with you. Don't feel like we can definitively say we are there yet. Whether or not you think its headed that way is merely a matter of opinion at the moment, there are valid cases to be made in both directions.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I've said this since the Kentucky game. But I keep being fed excuses about not having the right players, Covid, freshmen, first year, yada yada.

But I completely agree. This current form of the pure air raid is never going to work. Leach's former assistants and players who have gone on to be head coaches (Klingsbury, Lincoln Riley, Heupel) run air raid concepts with the presence of a running threat and play action. The offense we're running is outdated.

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I believe that your statement has much credibility. Running an offense with air raid concepts and not pure air raid is different. The days of scheme offenses winning something are over, match-up passing is the new evolution. Techniques for match-up route running are different than running step count geometry scheme with the coach playing the game and not the great talent you might have. If anyone on ED was to YouTube a game and audit the passing circumstances, it will be seen that single component match up passes are winning the games and not a scheme in the coaches head. What is in the play callers head may not be in the players head. Many times the QB has pre snap read the defense and decided his receiver. The receiver wins leverage and is more dominant than the defender. Practice time is used to teach domination?

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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

If this ends up being a disaster I will agree with you. Don't feel like we can definitively say we are there yet. Whether or not you think its headed that way is merely a matter of opinion at the moment, there are valid cases to be made in both directions.

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I agree. I'll say I am hoping things turn but my gut feels just like it did with Croom and Moorhead. Had totally the opposite with Jackie and Mullen. So there is 30 years of early game opinion and judgment but I agree the jury ain't closed yet but the opening arguments are pretty convicting on Leach. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Dawgsfanalongtime77

You can?t be dead last in rushing and expect the passing game to be worth a flip.

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it all goes back to the offensive (and they are offensive) line play. I saw one literally get knocked backwards on his ass vs. Auburn.

Will repeatedly taking sacks was huge in the game Saturday. Some people would say this is on Will. Some would put it on the o-line. I will say it's because we are one dimensional, defenders pass rush every play, and we have no built in play action or rolling out of the pocket for the QB. As 34 said above. And this offense might as well punt once they have a big negative play.