Would You Go to a Football Game Today

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

That's a little circular. :)

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If you could only infect people at the game - and that somehow you were only contagious during the game and miraculously not contagious after the game ended - I would have no problem with the game being played. Everyone would know the risk going in - and to each his own. Hell I'd probably risk it too. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I sure as hell wish it did.

Its the people that don't go to the game that end up getting infected by a healthy 25 year old that is showing no symptoms back on the coast who are just doing their job.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Are you really comparing going to the grocery to get food for your family for maybe 20 minutes while doing your best to avoid coming within 6 feet of anyone is the same as going to a football game with 60K people for 4 hours for something completely discretionary? You are a better poster than that.

Most of the people I know are doing insta cart or food delivery services. I know that I'm paying for my mother's groceries to be delivered because I don't want her going to the grocery.

Its all about doing our part. I don't judge people for having to do what they need to do to earn a living. We all need to put food on the table for our families. We don't need to go watch football in a crowded football stadium for 4 hours. Do I want to? Absolutely! Of course I do.

Wanting it to be the right thing to do versus it actually it being the right thing to do is two different things at this juncture. Hopefully in two months we will have figured this out.

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No it's not equal. I agree. But the grocery store and Lowe's and places like that are zoos. People on top of people. People touching things. My point is, if you want to be safe, and completely safe, you don't need to be out at all!! I've said this before and I'll say it again, this isnt going away w social distancing or anything else. It's going to have to run its course. Sadly, people will get sick. Some will die. But without a month total lockdown, nothing can change that. And even then I don't think it's possible.

My main concern in and out of stadium in crowds

This is what I'd recommend.
1. Lose the metal detectors for this year.
2. Staggered assigned entrance times.
3. No concession lines. - Order by App and bring it to me and/or a metric ton of credit card accepting vending machines throughout.
4. Lotsa porta john's with disinfecting crew and controlled access.
5. Require masks.
6. Play ball.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

No it's not equal. I agree. But the grocery store and Lowe's and places like that are zoos. People on top of people. People touching things. My point is, if you want to be safe, and completely safe, you don't need to be out at all!! I've said this before and I'll say it again, this isnt going away w social distancing or anything else. It's going to have to run its course. Sadly, people will get sick. Some will die. But without a month total lockdown, nothing can change that. And even then I don't think it's possible.

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Oh I'm with you there. People are tired of it. I'm tired of it. I've got family members dying to start youth baseball. I don't understand the Lowe's and Wal-mart thing, its nuts. Hopefully it won't lead to an increase in cases, because every Lowe's in the country appears packed.

Maybe the next few months will be rough, but the hospitals will be ready for it, I'm not sure. Maybe it won't be that bad. I know Alabama had the second most new cases yesterday.

People are hurting, both economically and mentally. A ****ing football game right now is what I want more than anything. **** - I'd take a spring game. I'd take a 2005 Croom coached MSU team against a 2011 Saban led Bama team. I just want to drive up for a game and think about something other than the collapse of our economy for 4 hours.

All that being said, I also don't want this to spread any faster than it has to.

I would go today

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Oh I'm with you there. People are tired of it. I'm tired of it. I've got family members dying to start youth baseball. I don't understand the Lowe's and Wal-mart thing, its nuts. Hopefully it won't lead to an increase in cases, because every Lowe's in the country appears packed.

Maybe the next few months will be rough, but the hospitals will be ready for it, I'm not sure. Maybe it won't be that bad. I know Alabama had the second most new cases yesterday.

People are hurting, both economically and mentally. A ****ing football game right now is what I want more than anything. **** - I'd take a spring game. I'd take a 2005 Croom coached MSU team against a 2011 Saban led Bama team. I just want to drive up for a game and think about something other than the collapse of our economy for 4 hours.

All that being said, I also don't want this to spread any faster than it has to.

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I think your last sentence is really the issue. W a quick spread, so to speak, we might be overwhelmed. Wo a quick spread the country is screwed economically for a longgg long time. I don't think the end result as far as peope that get it and die from it are any different. I really don't.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I think your last sentence is really the issue. W a quick spread, so to speak, we might be overwhelmed. Wo a quick spread the country is screwed economically for a longgg long time. I don't think the end result as far as peope that get it and die from it are any different. I really don't.

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This is the way I see it as well.

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

I can't help but think that the people that don't want fans to go to any games, no dine in at restaurants, no concert goers, etc. are the ones that just want the trump economy to crash and burn.

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Not true as far as I'm concerned. I voted for Trump in 2016 and will do so again this year. I want nothing but the best for the economy.

But my job is considered essential so I have to go to work. That means I have to get gas for my car once a week. But believe me, aside from that, the only time I'm not at home is when we go get curbside pick up groceries or a local restaurant. There is no inside Lowe's or Walmart. Both my wife and I have pre-existing conditions that make us more likely to have a worse reaction. Our parents have even more and doubtful they would survive a case of it. My mother in law had cancer surgery about a month or so ago. My wife has not seen her since they started advocating the shelter in place because her dad has leukemia. So she has two parents with cancer she hasn't seen in close to three months. I see first hand the pain this is causing every day.

So I'm for everything that can be done to keep them safe. I'm for whatever I can do to keep my wife and I safe as is like to see my kids grow up. To me, going to a football game is not worth the risk and neither is eating inside a restaurant. I get it, though. People are hurting. Businesses are closing. I hate it. I wish it wasn't the case. I think this could have been handled differently earlier on and it would have shortened the time period we would have had to deal with it. But we chose to straddle the fence.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You are dead wrong there. As it stands now, and that was the question, if you are part of a crowd you are putting others at risk. That's what most people can't seem to get through their heads, it's not about you.

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Nope I'll never get it through my head ...it's about personal responsibility...I'll protect myself and not worry what others do....

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Not true as far as I'm concerned. I voted for Trump in 2016 and will do so again this year. I want nothing but the best for the economy.

But my job is considered essential so I have to go to work. That means I have to get gas for my car once a week. But believe me, aside from that, the only time I'm not at home is when we go get curbside pick up groceries or a local restaurant. There is no inside Lowe's or Walmart. Both my wife and I have pre-existing conditions that make us more likely to have a worse reaction. Our parents have even more and doubtful they would survive a case of it. My mother in law had cancer surgery about a month or so ago. My wife has not seen her since they started advocating the shelter in place because her dad has leukemia. So she has two parents with cancer she hasn't seen in close to three months. I see first hand the pain this is causing every day.

So I'm for everything that can be done to keep them safe. I'm for whatever I can do to keep my wife and I safe as is like to see my kids grow up. To me, going to a football game is not worth the risk and neither is eating inside a restaurant. I get it, though. People are hurting. Businesses are closing. I hate it. I wish it wasn't the case. I think this could have been handled differently earlier on and it would have shortened the time period we would have had to deal with it. But we chose to straddle the fence.

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Yeah, I think out of frustration, I kinda painted with a broad brush with my statement.

I do wish you and your family well. I totally understand your situation.

One of my best friends is a business owner in Starkville, and I worry that his business may close. It sucks.

Was at the games in Biloxi and would be at any game tomorrow

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If you could only infect people at the game - and that somehow you were only contagious during the game and miraculously not contagious after the game ended - I would have no problem with the game being played. Everyone would know the risk going in - and to each his own. Hell I'd probably risk it too. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I sure as hell wish it did.

Its the people that don't go to the game that end up getting infected by a healthy 25 year old that is showing no symptoms back on the coast who are just doing their job.

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Did you ever think that person on the coast has the responsibility to protect themselves? .... it all comes down to individual responsibility...protect yourself and you don't have to worry what others do....

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Originally Posted by ScottH

My main concern in and out of stadium in crowds

This is what I'd recommend.
1. Lose the metal detectors for this year.
2. Staggered assigned entrance times.
3. No concession lines. - Order by App and bring it to me and/or a metric ton of credit card accepting vending machines throughout.
4. Lotsa porta john's with disinfecting crew and controlled access.
5. Require masks.
6. Play ball.

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HOw will you eat and drink with a mask? Once you pull it up you have defeated the whole purpose. It is going to real hot and humid. The first seven games mask will not be needed.

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

Did you ever think that person on the coast has the responsibility to protect themselves? .... it all comes down to individual responsibility...protect yourself and you don't have to worry what others do....

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When that person has to work to put food on the table and he gets infected because some Oxford frat douchebags go to a football game and the poor schmuck who is just trying to get a paycheck ends up with it, you?re ok with that?

Look, we are in a fight with this crap virus. It?s a bloody war. I?ve never seen a war won with individuals. We win wars as a united country. At the end of the day, I don?t want to do anything that makes it easier for this disease to spread and potentially kills my friends mother or father or maybe someone?s grandparents.

Putting the football game question aside I do hope we all get on the same page, whatever that page may be that is best to beat this crap. I don?t think everyone doing what is best for them is what is best for our country. Just my thoughts.

Hell yes.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

When that person has to work to put food on the table and he gets infected because some Oxford frat douchebags go to a football game and the poor schmuck who is just trying to get a paycheck ends up with it, you?re ok with that?

Look, we are in a fight with this crap virus. It?s a bloody war. I?ve never seen a war won with individuals. We win wars as a united country. At the end of the day, I don?t want to do anything that makes it easier for this disease to spread and potentially kills my friends mother or father or maybe someone?s grandparents.

Putting the football game question aside I do hope we all get on the same page, whatever that page may be that is best to beat this crap. I don?t think everyone doing what is best for them is what is best for our country. Just my thoughts.

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The only thing that can "beat" this is a vaccine or herd immunity. Staying inside and quarantining ourselves also may make the disease worse in the long run because it could cause the disease to last longer. There are advantages to exposure. There are disadvantages to quarantining ourselves for a long period of time too.

The bottom line for me is if you feel OK going out and doing things- do it. If you feel guilty about maybe getting someone sick or don't feel safe to go out- then don't.

But it's not anyone else's place to tell someone that they are being "selfish" or put them on a big guilt trip because they want to go out and live their life. It's also not my place to tell someone that doesn't feel safe that they don't have the right to stay inside. So yeah- it goes both ways.

The problem is somehow the focus has shifted from what flattening the curve was supposed to do and was intended to do which was not overwhelm the health care system so that we wouldn't be in a situation where we would have to pick and choose who gets a vent and who doesn't and make decisions like that. I'm in a hot spot and we haven't had to make those decisions. I'm very thankful for that. And here's the reality- yes, as we open things up there will be a spike. And the media will freak out and I probably won't be able to get toilet paper. But because we flattened the curve at least the people that need vents and things like that our healthcare system won't be overwhelmed and we will have actually saved lives because we won't have to make those difficult decisions. And I do envision that it won't be as bad as the first wave simply because more people have antibodies built up.

Somehow it has gotten to be we just need to stay inside until we wake up and this is gone- even if it takes years. And that's not the right way to approach this to beat it. You talk about it being a war- it's pretty rare to win a war by just hunkering down the entire time.

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

Nope I'll never get it through my head ...it's about personal responsibility...I'll protect myself and not worry what others do....

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So you will volunteer to get it today? And your family?


Is there no One you interact with that might be at higher risk?

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Originally Posted by ScottH

My main concern in and out of stadium in crowds

This is what I'd recommend.
1. Lose the metal detectors for this year.
2. Staggered assigned entrance times.
3. No concession lines. - Order by App and bring it to me and/or a metric ton of credit card accepting vending machines throughout.
4. Lotsa porta john's with disinfecting crew and controlled access.
5. Require masks.
6. Play ball.

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Ok. But even after all of that, you will be sitting next to people, who have the virus, for 3-4 hours.

If you are older than 60 or have pre-existing conditions stay at home. The mortality rate based on positive Covid cases for those under 60 is .004.... if you throw in the non symptomatic people who haven?t been tested, it will be even lower.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The only thing that can "beat" this is a vaccine or herd immunity. Staying inside and quarantining ourselves also may make the disease worse in the long run because it could cause the disease to last longer. There are advantages to exposure. There are disadvantages to quarantining ourselves for a long period of time too.

The bottom line for me is if you feel OK going out and doing things- do it. If you feel guilty about maybe getting someone sick or don't feel safe to go out- then don't.

But it's not anyone else's place to tell someone that they are being "selfish" or put them on a big guilt trip because they want to go out and live their life. It's also not my place to tell someone that doesn't feel safe that they don't have the right to stay inside. So yeah- it goes both ways.

The problem is somehow the focus has shifted from what flattening the curve was supposed to do and was intended to do which was not overwhelm the health care system so that we wouldn't be in a situation where we would have to pick and choose who gets a vent and who doesn't and make decisions like that. I'm in a hot spot and we haven't had to make those decisions. I'm very thankful for that. And here's the reality- yes, as we open things up there will be a spike. And the media will freak out and I probably won't be able to get toilet paper. But because we flattened the curve at least the people that need vents and things like that our healthcare system won't be overwhelmed and we will have actually saved lives because we won't have to make those difficult decisions. And I do envision that it won't be as bad as the first wave simply because more people have antibodies built up.

Somehow it has gotten to be we just need to stay inside until we wake up and this is gone- even if it takes years. And that's not the right way to approach this to beat it. You talk about it being a war- it's pretty rare to win a war by just hunkering down the entire time.

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Yes. This.