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What's really funny is I wouldn't at all be surprised if y'all are wanting to fire him, and I'll be the one saying we started down this road we need to give it more time. I hope I'm wrong. I hope he takes us to heights we have never reached. As I said, I'll have my say today and then will back the program, like I always do.
I said 5-6 under Joe. 3-4 now. The personnel is just not a match. It wasn't a match for Joe and it's even less of one for Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Leach is 10x the coach Joe is. Joe wins most like 4 next year depending on Arky & OM improvement. Kiffin would wax Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
This was not close to a desperate hire. We just pulled a winning P5 coach who WSU was extending just last month...this is about far from desperate as you can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I'm still warming up to the hire, but even Liverpool, I think, has to agree that leach > joe. That puts in a better spot than we were at a minimum.
Stick to futbol, not football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
This^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
All damn day long!
Posters usually don?t bother me but you?re an exception. You are just being negative to be different. Chill out, either way you slice it this is a hood hire for us because EVERYONE is talking about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
So then you were part of the minority who wanted the JOMO shit show continued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I'm more worried about Leach's age than not having a good D or him trying to run an offense without the neccessary personnel. I was hoping for someone younger. But the guys done a ton at hard to croot places.
I gotta feeling he's gonna whip this team into shape in a take no bullshit fashion.
I completely disagree with your concern on this hire. He has been successful where he has coached, this will be no different. I have wanted Leach to come to MSU for a long time. If he hires a hoss DC (Todd Grantham) we will be competing at levels beyond the Mullen years. Take a breath and have some faith. Leach is the real deal. Six wins next year is the floor, I can see 8-10 if things line up just right (OOC games are locks, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Missouri are locks, Kentucky is a probable, A&M or Auburn can be wins). Now I am not saying to expect a NY6 Bowl this year....but expect a higher level of success than you have ever seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
That WOULD be a positive, if it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
I've been sold on Leach and excited and real curious to see how it turns out. But 10 wins ain't happening with Dabo coaching next year. We don't need to get too carried away with those types of numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachkmb14
His defensive problems are in large part due to his offense. The floor next year is 2. The ceiling is probably 5, MAYBE 6. You need to look at his first years. We do NOT have his kind of personnel AT ALL. It will take 3 years before we even know if it has a chance. That's a good thing I guess because he is almost certain to get 4 years no matter what. I have seen us win 10 games (more than once), play in a NY6, and get to #1, by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by coachkmb14
Also a two time national coach of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
One half year only. It was obvious it wasn't going to work. We blew any good impressions that Mullen moving on to a bigger program left in places where it matters. This hire pretty much proves that. He ain't worried about a long career anymore. I expected either this or someone who would jump just for the money. I REALLY hope I'm wrong about this. Y'all have only made me feel much worse by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Look dude ... I don't say this often to anyone but you need to go back to celebrating our GLORIOUS win against OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
You just stated he's worse than Joe and that's a crock of shit. The ONLY reason I thought Joe had a shot of winning 6 next year was ... SHOOP.
Who cares if everyone is talking about it. Everybody thought we made a great hire the last time too. You know what I said THEN? I said I thought he was a good coach but we would take a big step back because we did not have the personnel to run his offense. I only said it once or twice because Joe was so highly touted. I am not being negative to be different. I was posting this same stuff two years ago when Leach was mentioned. ALSO, I'm not different. There are many who agree with me here. As I said, I'm going to vent today and then I'll do what I always do, get behind the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
I did NOT say that. I said that our personnel are much less suited to what he does than they were to what Joe unsuccessfully tried to do. It also does not mesh with our traditional recruiting strengths. This is absolutely the riskiest hire we could have made. I hope it works out. I'll be perfectly happy to be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I also find it hilarious that y'all like to dish it out, but you don't take it very well.
It may eventually. Joe did not work here, mainly because the personnel we usually get didn't mesh with his scheme. That goes triple for Leach. Hopefully he can change that personnel mix to fit him. The next few years are probably going to be rough. I'd say next year at best is a wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Your memory is bad. or your argument sucks. Leach was only at UK for 2 years 97-98. He left to go to OU for the 99 season.... Kentucky was winning 9-24 in the 3 years before Mumme brought in the air raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Leach's offensive system is simple 6-8 plays out of multiple formations.
Probably will not beat Bama, but will win 7+ a year. Just like he was at TTU...