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12-23-2019, 10:01 AM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

How about how Adidas us screwing us. That and the licensing company. We need to renew all these deals to a competitive price. Maybe wait until we are making a run in football but our baseball alone should bring us more money from Adidas. They are highway robbing us

How much does it cost to go to Tulane vs Miss State? Is the money comparable?
12-23-2019, 11:59 AM
1bigdawg

It has been shown that more football success generates greatly more contributions to both athletics and to the academic side of the university. Therefore, my first priority would be to focus funds on football.

The recruiting budget needs serious upgrading. We need better players to win more and to generate contributions to academics.
12-23-2019, 12:31 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

So were near the bottom of the SEC in athletic funding, and some of yall want to take the extra cash were getting specifically for SEC football and use it... on academics?

Hell, with this logic why not take out $86M athletic budget and drop it down to $63M to make 23M more academic scholarships? If you care more about academics than you do competing athletically that's fine. But say it, and state why we shouldnt just cannibalize our current budget too. We are barely competing now and giving every other SEC school $23M we don't use means we'd become Vandy.

I say use 10M on general facilities, 5M for FB salaries, 1M on football recruiting, and 7M to other programs recruiting/coaching budgets. We' be able to pay our FB HC 5M a year, pay 600k for an S&C cowch, and still increase all 10 assistants by about 300k each. No non-sec team would ever poach our assistants, and wed be able to give a raise to almost every non-SEC assistant. In other sports wed be able to make any coach that's worth it the highest paid in the country, and poach almost any assistant too. Facilities wise wed get all the smaller pet projects done in one year (things like an indoor practice facility), and the next year redo the M doub building, and the next 2-3 years redo the Hump.
12-23-2019, 02:45 PM
Dawgology

Price to play ball in teh SEC is about to go way up. I can see the average assistance coach for football starting to get paid in the 2 mil range after this money comes in.
12-23-2019, 02:52 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

So were near the bottom of the SEC in athletic funding, and some of yall want to take the extra cash were getting specifically for SEC football and use it... on academics?

Hell, with this logic why not take out $86M athletic budget and drop it down to $63M to make 23M more academic scholarships? If you care more about academics than you do competing athletically that's fine. But say it, and state why we shouldnt just cannibalize our current budget too. We are barely competing now and giving every other SEC school $23M we don't use means we'd become Vandy.

I say use 10M on general facilities, 5M for FB salaries, 1M on football recruiting, and 7M to other programs recruiting/coaching budgets. We' be able to pay our FB HC 5M a year, pay 600k for an S&C cowch, and still increase all 10 assistants by about 300k each. No non-sec team would ever poach our assistants, and wed be able to give a raise to almost every non-SEC assistant. In other sports wed be able to make any coach that's worth it the highest paid in the country, and poach almost any assistant too. Facilities wise wed get all the smaller pet projects done in one year (things like an indoor practice facility), and the next year redo the M doub building, and the next 2-3 years redo the Hump.

In my humble opinion it is the Athletic department making the money they should keep.
12-23-2019, 02:58 PM
TALL DAWG

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Price to play ball in teh SEC is about to go way up. I can see the average assistance coach for football starting to get paid in the 2 mil range after this money comes in.

I hope its a 10 or 15 yr contract.
Does anyone know?

And, IB needs to raise our FB recruiting budget to at least $1M, annually.
Where are we now, around $400k?
12-23-2019, 03:05 PM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Yes we do.

I agree. State recruits with effort on the academic side. The mail my kids receive from State is nicer, more informative and personalized than that they have received from OM. True story.
12-23-2019, 03:38 PM
Thick

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

A lot of that needs to go to academic scholarships IMO. Ole Miss offers a ton of kids in state college scholarships with full rides but State doesn't recruit academically like Ole Miss does. Recruiting, academically and athletically, has never been treated like a priority. Be nice to see that change.

53% of OM?s enrollment is out of state students.
12-23-2019, 04:13 PM
MedDawg

State's endowment has grown by $250 million in the past 10-15 years. There should be more money for scholarships than before.
12-23-2019, 04:54 PM
dantheman4248

Scholarships to harvard are entirely need based while Mississippi State and others are a mix of need and merit.

Source: had eligibility for a full ride to any ivy league school and only had half of my scholarship paid by merit from MSU. Rest paid for by financial need.

If you get a full ride to harvard and not MSU you likely met the income criteria for harvard to administer aid but not MSU's threshold.
12-23-2019, 05:52 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

So were near the bottom of the SEC in athletic funding, and some of yall want to take the extra cash were getting specifically for SEC football and use it... on academics?

Hell, with this logic why not take out $86M athletic budget and drop it down to $63M to make 23M more academic scholarships? If you care more about academics than you do competing athletically that's fine. But say it, and state why we shouldnt just cannibalize our current budget too. We are barely competing now and giving every other SEC school $23M we don't use means we'd become Vandy.

I say use 10M on general facilities, 5M for FB salaries, 1M on football recruiting, and 7M to other programs recruiting/coaching budgets. We' be able to pay our FB HC 5M a year, pay 600k for an S&C cowch, and still increase all 10 assistants by about 300k each. No non-sec team would ever poach our assistants, and wed be able to give a raise to almost every non-SEC assistant. In other sports wed be able to make any coach that's worth it the highest paid in the country, and poach almost any assistant too. Facilities wise wed get all the smaller pet projects done in one year (things like an indoor practice facility), and the next year redo the M doub building, and the next 2-3 years redo the Hump.

Probably going to use it to give our directors a good raise and put the rest in the bank
12-23-2019, 06:37 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Ole Miss for one had a presence recruiting out of state. I know people who say they never heard of Mississippi State in high school but ole Miss came to their school's and recruiting them to come (academically/college day-or whatever it's called).
Like someone above said, Harvard offered a full ride to someone but not State. Our system is obviously broken. This is the problem when you continually promote from within. We don't have new ideas or see what other schools are doing day to day.

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12-23-2019, 07:17 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Ole Miss for one had a presence recruiting out of state. I know people who say they never heard of Mississippi State in high school but ole Miss came to their school's and recruiting them to come (academically/college day-or whatever it's called).
Like someone above said, Harvard offered a full ride to someone but not State. Our system is obviously broken. This is the problem when you continually promote from within. We don't have new ideas or see what other schools are doing day to day.

Funny this is being said- just this weekend I heard some rebel legacies complain about ole miss' recruitment and all of their children didn't go to ole miss because they never heard from them. To go with ole miss enrollment is down and has less than 50% in state students, ill pass on their wonderful model.
12-23-2019, 07:24 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Funny this is being said- just this weekend I heard some rebel legacies complaint about ole miss' recruitment and all of their children didn't go to ole miss because they never heard from them. To go with ole miss enrollment is down and has less than 50% in state students, ill pass on their wonderful model.

I'm strictly talking about out of state recruiting. Obviously people in State have heard of us. We have>60% of our students being from in State which I love. I don't want that to change but I do wish that they would start recruiting better out of state. It might have changed. These people I talked with are older but again they had never heard of Mississippi State but had heard of Mississippi. Take it how you will. This is not a post about doing less in State. I wish that we'd do better at that as well.
12-23-2019, 08:37 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I'm strictly talking about out of state recruiting. Obviously people in State have heard of us. We have>60% of our students being from in State which I love. I don't want that to change but I do wish that they would start recruiting better out of state. It might have changed. These people I talked with are older but again they had never heard of Mississippi State but had heard of Mississippi. Take it how you will. This is not a post about doing less in State. I wish that we'd do better at that as well.

A lot of people think we are Mississippi. Not Ole Miss. Mississippi. Like they think Ole Miss is some private school and we're the dare I say flagship in Mississippi.
12-23-2019, 08:48 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A lot of people think we are Mississippi. Not Ole Miss. Mississippi. Like they think Ole Miss is some private school and we're the dare I say flagship in Mississippi.

Funny you say that. Someone told me a week ago that ole Miss is the flagship of the state. I asked them to explain why and all they could rattle off is that most of the money comes from them in the state. I imagine that they were referring to UMC.
12-23-2019, 09:56 PM
Rex54

Let’s be honest, higher education as we know it today is on its way out. You won’t see the “everyone goes to college” model beginning very soon because market forces eventually trump all. The 4 year degree in an incredibly high number of majors just isn’t warranted, and now over a trillion dollars of debt slavery has been unduly burdened on America’s youth.
12-23-2019, 10:59 PM
7dawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

How much does it cost to go to Tulane vs Miss State? Is the money comparable?

Tulane is $72K and State is roughly $25K...both with housing and meal plans. All scholarships we were offered was only merit based. Got an interview with Princeton coming up...Honestly hoping for Vandy or WashU...since they will be much closer to home. 100k to either of those will be very helpful as well.
12-24-2019, 12:19 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Funny you say that. Someone told me a week ago that ole Miss is the flagship of the state. I asked them to explain why and all they could rattle off is that most of the money comes from them in the state. I imagine that they were referring to UMC.

Probably referring to their graduates that are MD's and lawyers.
12-24-2019, 07:19 AM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Probably referring to their graduates that are MD's and lawyers.

Yeah but you'd be surprised the alumni that are from Mississippi State that go there. However most of them that I know don't pull for one much more than the other which is sad.

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