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12-19-2019, 07:01 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

They actually ran the flexbone.. which is still basically the wishbone
Far from the spread .. not even close

I always thought GT ran the triple option prior to Collins arriving.

Whatever you call that offense, they ran all over our "Collins Less" defense in the Orange Bowl. All you heard was Days to the left, Thomas to the right, Days up the middle, Thomas to the left.... over and over and over again as they whipped our ass.
12-19-2019, 07:05 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

They actually ran the flexbone.. which is still basically the wishbone
Far from the spread .. not even close

According to GT they were running the spread this year.
12-19-2019, 07:30 PM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

According to GT they were running the spread this year.

Exactly.. they didn’t bring Collins in to run the flexbone or triple option .
He had to change the entire offensive scheme and personnel
That will take a couple of recruiting classes..

Again square peg round hole ...
12-20-2019, 01:22 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Exactly.. they didn’t bring Collins in to run the flexbone or triple option .
He had to change the entire offensive scheme and personnel
That will take a couple of recruiting classes..

Again square peg round hole ...

Which is exactly what I was saying. He didn't adjust to the talent on the team. Few coaches are getting an opportunity to build "their team " the old way. Make the talent you have work for you.
12-20-2019, 02:32 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Which is exactly what I was saying. He didn't adjust to the talent on the team. Few coaches are getting an opportunity to build "their team " the old way. Make the talent you have work for you.

He did to a degree as they ran the Relf-fense, which is basically the closest thing you can run compared to the system they had. The problem wasn't adapting to talent - it was the lack of talent. Johnson left nothing.

There was no way he could continue to run Paul Johnsons offense - and all GT fans knew this season was going to be brutal in transition. This is a total rebuild from the ground up.
12-20-2019, 03:00 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Which is exactly what I was saying. He didn't adjust to the talent on the team. Few coaches are getting an opportunity to build "their team " the old way. Make the talent you have work for you.

This year was always going to be brutal. The only thing the players on the roster could run is the offense Paul Johnson ran, and the entire reason they made the change at coach was to get away from that.

Collins will do very well there.
12-20-2019, 04:09 PM
chef dixon

?Adapt to their players? is so tired of a narrative. Just like players are out of their comfort zone so are the coaches. If every coach could just do that with ease everyone would have a hell of a coach.
12-20-2019, 04:12 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

?Adapt to their players? is so tired of a narrative. Just like players are out of their comfort zone so are the coaches. If every coach could just do that with ease everyone would have a hell of a coach.

No, it's called coaching. If you can only do one style of coaching or teaching and can not adapt you should stay at the entry level.
12-20-2019, 04:14 PM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

No, it's called coaching. If you can only do one style of coaching or teaching and can not adapt you should stay at the entry level.

Well look how many people are failing at it
12-20-2019, 04:37 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Well look how many people are failing at it

Agreed
12-20-2019, 04:48 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

No, it's called coaching. If you can only do one style of coaching or teaching and can not adapt you should stay at the entry level.

I think you have to look at the great situation to determine if you adapt to talent or not. JoeMo absolutely should have - but his opportunity was unique. Collins was hired specifically to blow up the old system. GT had a RSF QB, a SO RB, a FR & SO WR, a transfer WR, and transfer TE. So, he was essentially working with entirely new or inexperienced personnel at the skill positions who didn't have 4 or 5 years in the Paul Johnson system. So, with everyone being essentially new, why stick with the old system? Moorhead had the complete opposite situation.
12-20-2019, 06:19 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think you have to look at the great situation to determine if you adapt to talent or not. JoeMo absolutely should have - but his opportunity was unique. Collins was hired specifically to blow up the old system. GT had a RSF QB, a SO RB, a FR & SO WR, a transfer WR, and transfer TE. So, he was essentially working with entirely new or inexperienced personnel at the skill positions who didn't have 4 or 5 years in the Paul Johnson system. So, with everyone being essentially new, why stick with the old system? Moorhead had the complete opposite situation.

If that's their reasoning for hiring him more power to them.
12-20-2019, 06:23 PM
Todd4State

The thing is all football coaches are more comfortable with a certain system. You're not going to hire Mike Leach and expect him to run the wishbone because that's what fits your personnel. And if he did try to run the wishbone it probably wouldn't work that well either.
12-21-2019, 04:14 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The thing is all football coaches are more comfortable with a certain system. You're not going to hire Mike Leach and expect him to run the wishbone because that's what fits your personnel. And if he did try to run the wishbone it probably wouldn't work that well either.

I think that they are saying to find middle ground but look at Saban when he went to Alabama. Should they have fired him when he lost to us? Of course not. You have to give these guys time to teach the playbook to the players and get your guys. If you want immediate success then you go after a coach with a similar system. Otherwise you have to give them a couple years.
12-21-2019, 04:40 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

I think that they are saying to find middle ground but look at Saban when he went to Alabama. Should they have fired him when he lost to us? Of course not. You have to give these guys time to teach the playbook to the players and get your guys. If you want immediate success then you go after a coach with a similar system. Otherwise you have to give them a couple years.

I agree. It would be nice if a middle ground could be found. The reality no one seems to want to talk about is in year one we ran Fitz more than Dan did and this year Kylin was the main focus of our offense and we finished third in the SEC in rushing. I'm not saying that we couldn't have done more but you're right we have to get players that fit the system better for it to work like it should.

I'm going to go duck now.
12-21-2019, 05:07 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree. It would be nice if a middle ground could be found. The reality no one seems to want to talk about is in year one we ran Fitz more than Dan did and this year Kylin was the main focus of our offense and we finished third in the SEC in rushing. I'm not saying that we couldn't have done more but you're right we have to get players that fit the system better for it to work like it should.

I'm going to go duck now.

The goal of our offense is explosive plays. To make those you need explosive players which we lack. Marks, Heath, and Tulu have a shot but we need many more
12-21-2019, 05:46 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

The goal of our offense is explosive plays. To make those you need explosive players which we lack. Marks, Heath, and Tulu have a shot but we need many more

I agree. I think that's one of the major reasons for our offensive issues the past two years.
12-21-2019, 06:03 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

The goal of our offense is explosive plays. To make those you need explosive players which we lack. Marks, Heath, and Tulu have a shot but we need many more

None of those guys are "explosive ". Hate to bust the bubble but it's true. Good players but not big play guys.
12-22-2019, 09:37 AM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

None of those guys are "explosive ". Hate to bust the bubble but it's true. Good players but not big play guys.

What's the next class in Mississippi look like? Any that you'd classify as " explosive?"
12-23-2019, 08:52 AM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

None of those guys are "explosive ". Hate to bust the bubble but it's true. Good players but not big play guys.

I?m sorry but I?m gonna disagree with you here. Tulu and Walley are very explosive athletes

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