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12-18-2019, 03:17 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

Those 2 classes as Jrs took MSU to #1 for 5 weeks (11 Final poll) and #19 in 2017. Joe's keeping us about where Mullen did so ... he gonna have to develop players about as good as Mullen did. I'm not confident he'll be able to do that.
12-18-2019, 03:20 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

I agree with the premise, but Dan's 2011 class ended up being the best class in the history of his time here. He could find diamonds with the best of them. Some of that class was due to him getting his ass kicked and plan B kids working out though.
12-18-2019, 03:20 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

Sec ranks since 2012:
2012 - 9th
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 11th
2017 - 9th
2018 - 9th
2019 - 11th
2020 - 10th

There isn't much difference. Hell, Moorhead's best class among peers is the one Mullen helped on. 2013-2016 Mullen squared up with OM's cheating peak, and he's basically matched Moorhead facing OM sitting on wallets for most part
12-18-2019, 03:23 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We aren?t getting either of them. We passed on a transfer RB because we?ve signed two.

So we feel good with Walker, Witherspoon, and 2 true freshmen?
12-18-2019, 03:25 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Sec ranks since 2012:
2012 - 9th
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 11th
2017 - 9th
2018 - 9th
2019 - 11th
2020 - 10th

There isn't much difference. Hell, Moorhead's best class among peers is the one Mullen helped on. 2013-2016 Mullen squared up with OM's cheating peak, and he's basically matched Moorhead facing OM sitting on wallets for most part

For someone who works so hard at recruiting and loves it so much ... you'd think the results would be better. I'm betting this is another "once he has his QB" type deal or "Tommy better than Dak".

It's an average class IMO and he better work much harder than he currently is at developing them to come close to a 9 win season.

ETA: Plus we aren't getting at least half of the top tier in-state prospects near as I can tell. Other OOS schools coming into MS and taking what they want to.
12-18-2019, 03:29 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

So we feel good with Walker, Witherspoon, and 2 true freshmen?

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.
12-18-2019, 03:30 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.

We should fix that now. Go get a transfer
12-18-2019, 03:36 PM
Scared_Hitless

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

For someone who works so hard at recruiting and loves it so much ... you'd think the results would be better. I'm betting this is another "once he has his QB" type deal or "Tommy better than Dak".

It's an average class IMO and he better work much harder than he currently is at developing them to come close to a 9 win season.

ETA: Plus we aren't getting at least half of the top tier in-state prospects near as I can tell. Other OOS schools coming into MS and taking what they want to.

They always have and always will. Alot of kids in this state are not raised rooting for MSU. LSU and Alabama have just as much presence in some areas. He is recruiting about as well as possible at MSU. This is our peak it is what it is. We can strive to slowly climb. Moorhead's average player has been 87+ which is higher than the yearly average for Dan. Last year we were almost at 89 per player but we undersigned. Not really sure what you want from the guy getting guys likes Marks and Schrader are great pulls for us. He is not going to recruit well enough to develop poorly that will be where he makes or breaks.
12-18-2019, 03:37 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.

I don't know. I heard Moorhead bragging on him at one of his press conferences.
12-18-2019, 03:40 PM
timotheus

Ha. Then he should start him next year and show us. We have greater needs at LB and OL as far as incoming recruits this year.
12-18-2019, 03:41 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We should fix that now. Go get a transfer

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....
12-18-2019, 03:47 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....

I'm sure he's the next GOAT practice report guy.
12-18-2019, 03:51 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I agree with the premise, but Dan's 2011 class ended up being the best class in the history of his time here. He could find diamonds with the best of them. Some of that class was due to him getting his ass kicked and plan B kids working out though.

Oh for sure. Ive long said that outside of the top 8-10 classes, it is pretty much a crap shoot between 11-40.
12-18-2019, 03:54 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Oh for sure. Ive long said that outside of the top 8-10 classes, it is pretty much a crap shoot between 11-40.

I'd say top 15. Clemson built their first natty with these class ranks: 11, 9, 16, 15
12-18-2019, 03:55 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm sure he's the next GOAT practice report guy.

Maybe so. I have no idea. Neither does the guy pretending he does know. He was an under armor all American in HS and went to Michigan. This isn't little Timmy from Scott Central we are talking about.
12-18-2019, 03:55 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

They always have and always will. Alot of kids in this state are not raised rooting for MSU. LSU and Alabama have just as much presence in some areas. He is recruiting about as well as possible at MSU. This is our peak it is what it is. We can strive to slowly climb. Moorhead's average player has been 87+ which is higher than the yearly average for Dan. Last year we were almost at 89 per player but we undersigned. Not really sure what you want from the guy getting guys likes Marks and Schrader are great pulls for us. He is not going to recruit well enough to develop poorly that will be where he makes or breaks.

In that case ... I'm looking for Joe to be cranking out 10 win seasons starting in 2 or 3 years. One right after another **
12-18-2019, 03:56 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Maybe so. I have no idea. Neither does he.

Add me too. I hope I'm wrong bc we need a guy to be ready day 1
12-18-2019, 04:01 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Add me too. I hope I'm wrong bc we need a guy to be ready day 1

The good news is that Marks is supposedly going to get some bowl practice reps.
12-18-2019, 04:02 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Jarius

The good news is that Marks is supposedly going to get some bowl practice reps.

That is good news
12-18-2019, 04:22 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'd say top 15. Clemson built their first natty with these class ranks: 11, 9, 16, 15

I think anything outside of top 10 better have a big time nfl qb. Like Watson. Or Dak for that matter. Elite qb can be a equalizer for a 10-15 recruiter.

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