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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Great Post.

The Moorhead haters on this board move the goalposts with literally every statement, because they are so blinded by their hate for the guy.

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Yes, they do. It's unreal,

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

If I were given a choice right now between Joe and Dan, I would choose Dan. It still doesn't make Joe a failure no matter how you FEEL.

I live in Starkville and go to every game.

I think our wide receivers are hands down the worst in the conference. When the offense is built around the ability to complete passes it kind of puts the team behind the 8-ball.

You have no idea about anything regarding strength and conditioning other than the emotional posts you have read on message boards.

I know much more about the QB competition and situation than you do.

I think the offense looks stagnant a lot of times, but we hired him to run his offense Not Dan Mullen's. Should Geoff Collins continue running the option at GT? Because that is what fits his current roster's abilities.

The next coach will certainly look at our records and wonder if the fanbase has unreasonable expectations. If we were to fire Moorhead this year, it would hamper our ability to hire a quality replacement.

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Very well put.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

And you just got thru admitting you'd rather have Dan than Joe. I.E. "records be damned", no? back to the records now? Or are there MORE reasons you'd rather have Dan?

Agree about talent. example: Croom beat Saban. Did I just say that? did that really happen? LOL; I guess Croom is better than Dan AND Joe since he beat Bamer twice. But hey, that's the record, no?

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Yeah I would rather have Dan. I enjoyed watching his power spread option more than Moorhead's offense so far. The whole point of my argument is not to try to convince people that Joe is a better coach than Dan. Dan did a lot for this school, and I thought he did a great job for the most part while here.

The fact is that Dan is gone not by any choice of ours. We made what seemed to be a good hire, and despite what this militant wing of the fanbase thinks has not been just a complete disaster. We have slid back some, and some issues need to be addressed, but it doesn't warrant firing the guy after 2 years.

Croom beating Saban is such a straw man argument. It is the only thing Croom apologists have to hang their hat on. Moorhead hasn't done anything even close to equating with State losing to Maine in 04 or Tulane in 06. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. If we continue to regress next year, I will change my tune, but until then I am willing to stick with it and see what happens.

You keep hanging by that thread.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

We lose the bowl which I expect. We will be 6-7. Yep a losing season. So we keep SloMo because we get one more win albeit against a rival that basically gave us the win. Now we have a coach and administration that gave us the middle finger and told the fan base to kick rocks.
So we end up 2019 with a losing season once we lose the bowl game
Makes no sense why we kept him

Meanwhile MiZZ doesn?t put up with mediocrity and fires Odom.

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He didn?t tell the fan base to kick rocks. He thanked the majority of the fan base (his words). He Indirectly told most of the know it alls here (with no real sources) to kick rocks. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

We lose the bowl which I expect. We will be 6-7. Yep a losing season. So we keep SloMo because we get one more win albeit against a rival that basically gave us the win. Now we have a coach and administration that gave us the middle finger and told the fan base to kick rocks.
So we end up 2019 with a losing season once we lose the bowl game
Makes no sense why we kept him

Meanwhile MiZZ doesn?t put up with mediocrity and fires Odom.

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Only problem I have is you saying they basically gave us a win. They never lead, and we let them have a chance on 4th and 24.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Everyone was saying the week before the Arkansas game that Arkansas was going to get their first SEC win. When we kicked their ass it was "they were no good and have checked out". The week before Ole Miss everyone was saying Plumlee is going run all over our defense and whip our ass. When it didn't happen and Plumlee only had 38 yards rushing it changed to "Well they only won four games". Until we lose the bowl game I refused to say anything like that. Most likely we will get a similar type team in the bowl game.

I with you about not keeping him but we did so I am going to keep supporting Miss State.

Here is how I view it. Win the bowl game, have a winning season, have a decent recruiting class, keep the bread basket full with wonder bread, if he is the guy it will all work out next season. If not he will be gone after next season and the bread basket will have bread in it for the next guy. He is here so we might as well just be happy and hope for the best. Bitching and Whining on a message board does nothing and this football season has proven that.

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Well said.

Joe has to be a pretty good coach. He had a short week (4 days) to prepare for UM; he spent two days negotiating his new job;one day negotiating his buyout, and the last day reading ED. Dan never beat UM when facing that kind of distraction.

You keep hanging by that thread.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Yeah I would rather have Dan. I enjoyed watching his power spread option more than Moorhead's offense so far. The whole point of my argument is not to try to convince people that Joe is a better coach than Dan. Dan did a lot for this school, and I thought he did a great job for the most part while here.

The fact is that Dan is gone not by any choice of ours. We made what seemed to be a good hire, and despite what this militant wing of the fanbase thinks has not been just a complete disaster. We have slid back some, and some issues need to be addressed, but it doesn't warrant firing the guy after 2 years.

Croom beating Saban is such a straw man argument. It is the only thing Croom apologists have to hang their hat on. Moorhead hasn't done anything even close to equating with State losing to Maine in 04 or Tulane in 06. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. If we continue to regress next year, I will change my tune, but until then I am willing to stick with it and see what happens.

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The "wanting Joe gone now" is not a "militant wing", based on what I'm reading, it's the MAJORITY wing.

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Joe has to be a pretty good coach. He had a short week (4 days) to prepare for UM; he spent two days negotiating his new job;one day negotiating his buyout, and the last day reading ED. Dan never beat UM when facing that kind of distraction.

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+1 nice job, lol

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Joe has to be a pretty good coach. He had a short week (4 days) to prepare for UM; he spent two days negotiating his new job;one day negotiating his buyout, and the last day reading ED. Dan never beat UM when facing that kind of distraction.

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If you've paid any attention this year, you'd know that the less time we have to prepare for a game, the better we seem to play.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Yes Bruce Joe sucks as a coach if you can't see that your just blind.

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Joe looks like he will recruit way better than Dan. And my sight is fine.

In-game coaching has been sketchy, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

The only thing to talk about right now is a completely divided alumni and MSU just got poorer due this cluster 17 and the kick rocks presser. This is in no way going to be healed easily or quickly. We already see have Rosey coming out telling us how to think and act and that anyone that was spreading vicious rumors is a bad fan. None of this will help it is a divide, and people are already on both side of this thing and stay there, it?s going to stay this way a long time.

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I'm saying 1 year. Hopefully be over after that.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Everyone was saying the week before the Arkansas game that Arkansas was going to get their first SEC win. When we kicked their ass it was "they were no good and have checked out". The week before Ole Miss everyone was saying Plumlee is going run all over our defense and whip our ass. When it didn't happen and Plumlee only had 38 yards rushing it changed to "Well they only won four games". Until we lose the bowl game I refused to say anything like that. Most likely we will get a similar type team in the bowl game.

I with you about not keeping him but we did so I am going to keep supporting Miss State.

Here is how I view it. Win the bowl game, have a winning season, have a decent recruiting class, keep the bread basket full with wonder bread, if he is the guy it will all work out next season. If not he will be gone after next season and the bread basket will have bread in it for the next guy. He is here so we might as well just be happy and hope for the best. Bitching and Whining on a message board does nothing and this football season has proven that.

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I see your point but Arkansas and Ole Miss had a combined 6 wins. 2 SEC wins. And one was against the other. I think it?s completely fair to be mad we only beat those 2 and an awful Kentucky team. We should go into those type of games knowing we?re gonna kick ass, not doom and gloom

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Originally Posted by vv83

I see your point but Arkansas and Ole Miss had a combined 6 wins. 2 SEC wins. And one was against the other. I think it?s completely fair to be mad we only beat those 2 and an awful Kentucky team. We should go into those type of games knowing we?re gonna kick ass, not doom and gloom

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State should not have lost to Tenn or KSU. We should be 8-4.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

State should not have lost to Tenn or KSU. We should be 8-4.

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We’re on the same side here. There is NO reason our fan base should be doom and gloom going into Ark and OM. However that’s what Joe did to us after KSU and Tenn

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Let's say Matt Campbell at Iowa State leaves for USC. Iowa State hires X coach, and that coach goes 8-5 in his first season, and then 6-6 (7-6, 6-7) in his second. After that second season they fire him. How does that look to the average Mississippi State fan? I guarantee no one is taking the time to look into each play in each game to understand if Iowa State acted drastically in firing this new coach. They are just going to see a historically below average team that fired a coach that seemed to be doing fine. Other coaches will view it that way too.

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Then it proves you are more worried about perception than you are reality.. The next coach would look at Iowa St and if they saw X coach had one of 3 defenses ever to have 3 first round draft picks and 3 thousand yard rushers in the same backfield then he would probably say damn wtf was that other guy doing?

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Joe looks like he will recruit way better than Dan. And my sight is fine.

In-game coaching has been sketchy, I agree.

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Joe’s recruiting class is at 21 with only a few spots left to fill. I don’t see him making into the top 20. Dan averaged 27. That ain’t a big jump. Even if joe finishes top 15 he hasn’t proven he can coach em.