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11-30-2019, 04:51 PM
Dawgfan77

Here is what is was told
Joe is thin skinned and felt stabbed in the back. Thought we would wait until the weekend to name names and make the hire. He is not cut out for an sec HC
11-30-2019, 04:52 PM
HoopsDawg

same for me. Apparently we still have 2 or 3 guys that think bowl games still matter (LOL) and think all is well as long as we beat Ole Miss. Joe won't beat Ole Miss again for as long as he's here which will probably just be one more year.
11-30-2019, 04:53 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

So JoMo agreed to an amount for a buyout but then got pissed that we were lining up someone to replace him? Now that part makes zero sense given you have to turn this stuff around quick these days given the early signing period. What did he expect us to do?

"Hey Coach, we're firing you. Now we're going to sit on our ass for a week and then have a very hectic 3 day coaching search that begins as soon as you're officially no longer our coach"

If I turn in my 2 week notice, I'm not going to go ballistic if I see resumes for my job position on my bosses desk a week later. And if I know I'm going to get fired, I'm not going to go ballistic if I find out they've got a new guy lined up to replace me before they actually tell me I'm fired.
11-30-2019, 04:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

So, Joe was ready to leave? He wanted to leave? He got pissed b/c we had someone lined up?

So we are going to keep the coach ready to leave b/c he found out the name of his potential replacement and threw a tantrum like a petulant child. And we caved and kept him? A head coach ready to bail?

Wow. That's worse than I thought. Cohen and Keenum deserve everything that comes out of this.

If that’s true I’m not sure why the hell he cares. Especially considering the fact that we contacted him before Dan left.
11-30-2019, 04:54 PM
deadheaddawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You just had a thread locked for being a douche.

He just report what was being sent out by several insiders. Many were getting the same info. Misinformation or changed didn?t make what he was told false. And you being a prick about it won?t change that fact.

Good Lord. Just listen to yourself. What you described is the very definition of an unfounded rumor

He didn't "report" a damn thing. This isn't a news site

Look, you are ok with spreading rumors. That's your choice. But that's all it is. It's clear the spreading of these rumors didn't help a thing and most likely made things worse

Do whatever you need to justify that in your mind, but at least be honest and stop spinning it. Call all this what is really is.

Speculation and rumors

Once we are all honest about what it is maybe we can talk about how it helps or hurts a program.

"Reporting". lol
11-30-2019, 04:54 PM
maroonmania

Is there any sports program more hexed than MSU football? We should have known that with a change needed we would somehow eek out an Egg Bowl win to derail everything. Basically seems to me that Moorhead is staying for 2 simple reasons, to keep drawing his check and to spite those that wanted to oust him. Pretty evident he doesn't really want to be here.
11-30-2019, 04:54 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Here is what is was told
Joe is thin skinned and felt stabbed in the back. Thought we would wait until the weekend to name names and make the hire. He is not cut out for an sec HC

This guy has been sending up red flags since the UK debacle and we think he can change. We have the most clueless people in charge.
11-30-2019, 04:55 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

After the TN game it was clear we'd need to beat OM to go 5-7. Joe had to know that would put his job in jeopardy, right? and he knows how time sensitive hirings are- he himself was hired like 3 days after Mullen left because we needed him to recruit ASAP. So if he knew he's probably be fired and he knew it's very improtant to have a new uy asap, why would he get upset to hear that we've been talking to other candidates?

Moreover, it's not like the board ever had a consensus on a candidate. We had Hud, Chizik, Norvell, Napier, even Dantonio's name "leaked" here by those claiming to have sources. No consensue was ever reached really, though Napier did seem like the guy after the noise was filtered.

But the point is that it's wasn't "THE" name getting leaked here that screwed it up. Sounds lie any leak of "We're interviewing guys" would have set him off... which are leaks that happen in literally every coaching change at any university.

After the UT game it was a 100% consensus from all donors and AD, admin that if we go 4-8 he would be let go. No question. It’s why I was adamant and agreed to that stupid ban bet with 007 when he was crowing “it was confirmed” he would be back no matter what. It wasn’t true. 5-7 and a loss in the EB, especially a bad loss and he was gone and the majority agreed to that. That why you had media and even Rosie and others starting to hedge that way because that was the prevailing thought and agreement.
11-30-2019, 04:56 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

same for me. Apparently we still have 2 or 3 guys that think bowl games still matter (LOL) and think all is well as long as we beat Ole Miss. Joe won't beat Ole Miss again for as long as he's here which will probably just be one more year.

Don't understand the bowl thing except it gives you more practices. 3/4 of CFB practically goes to bowl games now.
11-30-2019, 04:58 PM
Todd4State

I mean what the hell are we doing here? Just fire his ass and give him the full buyout. I don’t see how we’re saving face especially when we do the exact same thing next year.
11-30-2019, 04:59 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It?s one thing to be negotiating a buyout if you lose the EB and something totally different to find out the school possibly already has a replacement in place, when he still has a game to play. Possibly under cuts his ability to have a team ready to play if the players buy into the rumors as well and then it does cost him his job. An emotional win that was seconds away from OT and a possible loss just pushed him over the edge.

If my boss tells me they're letting me go and we start negotiating a severance package, am I going to go ballistic if I find out they've already looked for someone to fill my job? Hell no, of course they want someone to fill my role the second I leave. Of course they aren't going to wait till I'm gone to start taking resumes.

It makes no sense why Moorhead would expect us to waste valuable time in getting a new coach. As soon as a AD thinks a change might be made he should get on looking for a new coach. As soon as he knows a change will be made he should start negotiating the new coach's contract to get him in here ASAP. Moorhead is extremely emotional AND ignorant of how his own coaching world works.
11-30-2019, 04:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

Good Lord. Just listen to yourself. What you described is the very definition of an unfounded rumor

He didn't "report" a damn thing. This isn't a news site

Look, you are ok with spreading rumors. That's your choice. But that's all it is. It's clear the spreading of these rumors didn't help a thing and most likely made things worse

Do whatever you need to justify that in your mind, but at least be honest and stop spinning it. Call all this what is really is.

Speculation and rumors

Once we are all honest about what it is maybe we can talk about how it helps or hurts a program.

"Reporting". lol

Good lord. Report-give a spoken or written account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated. That word isn’t exclusive to media only. Brush up on definitions before trying to hammer someone. Look like a fool
11-30-2019, 05:01 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If my boss tells me they're letting me go and we start negotiating a severance package, am I going to go ballistic if I find out they've already looked for someone to fill my job? Hell no, of course they want someone to fill my role the second I leave. Of course they aren't going to wait till I'm gone to start taking resumes.

It makes no sense why Moorhead would expect us to waste valuable time in getting a new coach. As soon as a AD thinks a change might be made he should get on looking for a new coach. As soon as he knows a change will be made he should start negotiating the new coach's contract to get him in here ASAP. Moorhead is extremely emotional AND ignorant of how his own coaching world works.

Did I say he was told he definitely being let go? No I said negotiating in case of an EB loss which is one thing but hearing we have a replacement already lined up is totally different than believing he still has a game to win to salvage his job
11-30-2019, 05:02 PM
MarketingBully

The fact that the asshole wouldn’t take Xavier Hill’s commitment and let him commit to LSU is all you need to know. He should have been fired. We got ourselves a Rick Ray situation fellas. I’ll cheer for MSU football but I hate Joe Moorhead.
11-30-2019, 05:03 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I appreciate a good rumor that comes from a trusted person. No need to apologize. I just hope State can figure out a way to bridge the divide now. Not sure how they do it, but they have major damage control on their hands.

Win 17n games.
11-30-2019, 05:05 PM
bobcat91

I like rumors. What I dont care for is nebulous bs. Like, change is coming. The next 48 hours are going to be big. Hes gone.
If you need to hold info, hold it. If you just want to be general, say I heard a rumor. Folks can say what they want, but I think if we were wanting to make a change, when the price went to almost 8 million, the money guys flinched
11-30-2019, 05:05 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

same for me. Apparently we still have 2 or 3 guys that think bowl games still matter (LOL) and think all is well as long as we beat Ole Miss. Joe won't beat Ole Miss again for as long as he's here which will probably just be one more year.

Probably true, he got the luxury of facing 2 of the worst, most talent depleted OM teams he will ever see in his first 2 years due to the probation impacts.
11-30-2019, 05:05 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I mean what the hell are we doing here? Just fire his ass and give him the full buyout. I don’t see how we’re saving face especially when we do the exact same thing next year.

But that would be an extra $2-3M! Much better to lose 3x that in revenue, have worse recruiting (who wants to commit to a lame duck HC?) have another year of a bad product on the field, have bad player development (Why would Joe care about developing players if he won't be here next year?), have our national brand degraded, and have less donations due to people wanting to be clear this is unacceptable. THEN we can fire him for $4M instead of $6.5M!
11-30-2019, 05:06 PM
Coach34

To piggyback off it- after he won to get to 6-6 with a 2nd Egg- Joe demanded the full buyout which added almost 3MM more. Thats when some spines got soft about firing a 6-6 coach.

That is what was passed on to me. Like it, dont like it. Be mad. IDGAF. For us to wait 2 days to even confirm he was returning tells you something was going on. If nothing had been happening- Cohen confirms it Thursday night he was returning. He didnt
11-30-2019, 05:06 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Did I say he was told he definitely being let go? No I said negotiating in case of an EB loss which is one thing but hearing we have a replacement already lined up is totally different than believing he still has a game to win to salvage his job

But the insiders here didn't even say he was gone for sure either way! Some implied it but the only thing they said (much less agreed on) was that he was gone with a loss.

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