Here is what you guys need to understand about C34/rumors

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Originally Posted by turkish

So floating Chizik is a smokescreen, or is it a way to gauge interest from fans?

You do know what smokescreen is right?

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aGAIN- wtf?

Ive said repeatedly I'm told we are making a change. This is going to happen. Nobody can guarantee who the change is today. I Seen It heard what I did- Chizik. We also agree that could be a smokescreen for Hud or Napier because they are still playing. We are telling you what we heard. To be upset about that is ludicrous. Be glad we are making a change like I am

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

This goes back to my earlier response. You are mad because you don't have knowledge and want answers. Do you really think Coach would throw out Gene Chizik as a name just for the hell of it?

What a shit name to just throw the hell out there to get clicks or stir the fan base up. Think man.

I'll add I don't know shit about this search or have any info. But I understand how this stuff works. You don't just look at one person. You look at multiple options. Start with multiple criteria and see who meets portions of it. Then you dwindle that down and put out feelers to everyone through internal channels to establish a baseline of what's realistic.

Once you've got a starting point or know who you can't get, you narrow it down more and ultimately arrive at a conclusion. But along the way you are going to gather information on multiple people as they should. Like it or not Chizik fits a lot of criteria. If I didn't put his name out there and said you could get a HC that was previously a HC in the SEC, recruited well, and won a national title, you might be a tad interested.

It's a baseline starting point to gather information. But you don't have information and you are mad this name is even being talked about because you don't like it. That's ok, just understand that there are things that go on above our pay grades in making these decisions.

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Nice. You explain shit better than me

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How about the just go hire the best coach and stop worrying about what the fans want?

Does nobody here know how to interview coaches?

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Because there might be 5-6 different people who are potentially the best options. And who determines who might be the best option? One single person? Hell no. No one at any level is going to make this big of a decision by themselves. And it's dumb to think that. Some think Hud. Some think Norvell. Some think Schiano. Some think Napier.

The worst hires I've ever seen in my career were made by one individual that got input from no one. Fans have input and value. We don't make the decision but we provide a baseline of what the fans are willing to accept. It's a data point among many data points. But it has value.

I would love to know what math or calculations you've done to come up with the ideal candidate we should be going after

The fun part about all of this is we get to find out in about 5 days. One way or another.

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Originally Posted by turkish

So floating Chizik is a smokescreen, or is it a way to gauge interest from fans?

You do know what smokescreen is right?

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Both. You float a retread name to gauge interest in a retread. But don’t reveal the real candidate.... Butch Jones. ****

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

This goes back to my earlier response. You are mad because you don't have knowledge and want answers. Do you really think Coach would throw out Gene Chizik as a name just for the hell of it?

What a shit name to just throw the hell out there to get clicks or stir the fan base up. Think man.

I'll add I don't know shit about this search or have any info. But I understand how this stuff works. You don't just look at one person. You look at multiple options. Start with multiple criteria and see who meets portions of it. Then you dwindle that down and put out feelers to everyone through internal channels to establish a baseline of what's realistic.

Once you've got a starting point or know who you can't get, you narrow it down more and ultimately arrive at a conclusion. But along the way you are going to gather information on multiple people as they should. Like it or not Chizik fits a lot of criteria. If I didn't put his name out there and said you could get a HC that was previously a HC in the SEC, recruited well, and won a national title, you might be a tad interested.

It's a baseline starting point to gather information. But you don't have information and you are mad this name is even being talked about because you don't like it. That's ok, just understand that there are things that go on above our pay grades in making these decisions.

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Get out from under his desk, dude. There’s a whole world out here.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nice. You explain shit better than me

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I'm an administrator in a public school. This type of stuff is really not that terribly different honestly. When you make hires you have to balance the needs of the kids, the needs of your school, the deficiencies you have, the strength areas, the politics, the community, and everything else I didn't mention. It's just that our decisions are on the scale of tens of thousands of dollars, not millions.

I'm shocked people don't get this honestly. When big time hires are made, there's a lot of factors in play. If you have to make a decision on a hire, if you are good at your job, you use the input of all the people around you to make a decision. You put out options, good and bad, to gauge the starting point. Then you dwindle it down from there.

Like I said earlier, people get upset if they are given false information and they don't like not being in control. Those people never play the politics game. It is what it is. Can't take it personally. Just have to go with the flow in these type things when you are on the outside looking in.

Oh, it gets worse.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Because there might be 5-6 different people who are potentially the best options. And who determines who might be the best option? One single person? Hell no. No one at any level is going to make this big of a decision by themselves. And it's dumb to think that. Some think Hud. Some think Norvell. Some think Schiano. Some think Napier.

The worst hires I've ever seen in my career were made by one individual that got input from no one. Fans have input and value. We don't make the decision but we provide a baseline of what the fans are willing to accept. It's a data point among many data points. But it has value.

I would love to know what math or calculations you've done to come up with the ideal candidate we should be going after

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Are you telling Gun he can't analyze this like he do QB throwing kinematics? *****

Or are you wanting him to perform probability/statistical analyses of the candidates to ascertain the odds of each to win SEC W at MSU? *****

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How about the just go hire the best coach and stop worrying about what the fans want?

Does nobody here know how to interview coaches?

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Because this is a program and there has to be a "fit". IMO the best football coach I have ever seen/read about is Bill Walsh. I don't think he would have been a fit at MSU.

Very similar to how I think Joe is a good football coach but isn't a fit for us. And before you go there- understand that people are copying his stuff and you don't do that if a guy isn't good.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How about the just go hire the best coach and stop worrying about what the fans want?

Does nobody here know how to interview coaches?

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A BIG part of the reason for change is the fan base is lost; so yeah you want the right coach but at the end of the day it's about putting butts in seats so part of it is gaging fan base support. Wonder where TN would be had they gaged support prior to Schiano. I'm not a fan of Schiano but most think he is a good coach. That fan base revolted and boy did they look like assholes. Don't want that to happen here. End of the day, even after 15+ pages of Chizik rumors, it's good to work this out on the front end.

My only issue with anything you brought to this board was the mullen info you posted before the game. Then fitz ankle stuff happened and unfortunately made you look like an asshole. Some of it was fitz going down. But most of it was the tone and the timing of the leak. If you leaked it literally in the 4th quarter, or after Fitz went down....probably wouldn't have been that bad.

No look back at my post during your self inflicted exile, I was 100% behind you returning. We don't see eye to eye, but I was the one posting for your return.

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Originally Posted by turkish

Um, I?m not sure this position is one I?d take much pride in filling. The day I find out that our AD is using your ass *strategically* is the day I burn my diplomas.

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Well, maybe not him directly but indirectly. So you can get a match.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

My only issue with anything you brought to this board was the mullen info you posted before the game. Then fitz ankle stuff happened and unfortunately made you look like an asshole. Some of it was fitz going down. But most of it was the tone and the timing of the leak. If you leaked it literally in the 4th quarter, or after Fitz went down....probably wouldn't have been that bad.

No look back at my post during your self inflicted exile, I was 100% behind you returning. We don't see eye to eye, but I was the one posting for your return.

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Pretty sure he leaked that the night before the egg bowl. May have been right before game tho. Not for sure.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Because there might be 5-6 different people who are potentially the best options. And who determines who might be the best option? One single person? Hell no. No one at any level is going to make this big of a decision by themselves. And it's dumb to think that. Some think Hud. Some think Norvell. Some think Schiano. Some think Napier.

The worst hires I've ever seen in my career were made by one individual that got input from no one. Fans have input and value. We don't make the decision but we provide a baseline of what the fans are willing to accept. It's a data point among many data points. But it has value.

I would love to know what math or calculations you've done to come up with the ideal candidate we should be going after

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This is absurd.

You mean we don't have anyone in the athletic department that knows how to interview & hire football coaches?

That should mean a ton more than what fans think. If we don't have that person in the athletic department then we probably need to hire someone that knows a little bit about football.

You don't think there is anything to be gained by interviewing people?

Oh wonderful, youre gloating about how great you are again..

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well, maybe not him directly but indirectly. So you can get a match.

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Well I hope they get the message to not hire Gene freaking chizik.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This is absurd.

You mean we don't have anyone in the athletic department that knows how to interview & hire football coaches?

That should mean a ton more than what fans think. If we don't have that person in the athletic department then we probably need to hire someone that knows a little bit about football.

You don't think there is anything to be gained by interviewing people?

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What are you talking about?

Of course we do. But we are still going to gather fan reactions. And yes our opinion is low on the data totem poll. But it's still there. But we aren't going to go around just interviewing people randomly. How do you think we get those names? Cohen just sits in his office and comes up with names??

No. He starts with input on a baseline of what we need. Then he dwindles it down to viable candidates from there. Then we interview them. It's how all interview processes work. Again, what do your data metrics say as to who the perfect candidate is we should be interviewing?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Well I hope they get the message to not hire Gene freaking chizik.

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I'm thinking they may have gotten precisely that message. Now on to another plan/candidate.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nice. You explain shit better than me

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You explained it well enough. Turkish dude just trying to start shit. Thanks for the great info C34. Made my day just knowing a change will happen!! We could hire Mr. Ziffle from Green Acres and it would be better than Jovester Moorcroom.