Our talent level is just bad

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I can name about 80 other college programs in the country that would trade our talent for theirs yesterday. Talent is there. Coaching talent is not.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I means it?s a little above coloring book level cognitive thinking, but anyone with the ability to access the Internet and navigate said internet to a message board should be able to figure this out for themselves.

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Those 80 you mention? Yeah no one cares about them because we don't compete against them. The other 50 or so? Yeah there's probably 7-8 in the SEC that we actually care about. And some of our talent doesn't match up to them.

Why is that so difficult to comprehend? People that compare us to teams we don't compete against don't get the big picture. We are competing with the Mountain West or the Sun Belt. So of course they would want our roster. We compete in the SEC. and more than half the teams in the conference wouldn't trade rosters with us.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

You are correct sir. We have plenty of talent to win 6-9 games every year with a competent coaching staff.

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Well if we win Thursday, thats 6.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Agree on the players and coaches part, fans not so much.

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We still have a shot at 6 and fans on here are actively rooting for us to lose. So yes, whether they should or not, fans quit too.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?

Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.

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You cant rely on recruiting rankings to support your first paragraph and then totally ignore those same rankings in your second paragraph by stating we have more talent than TN and USCe.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Mullen did not leave the cupboard bare. He left us with a dang good roster and last years recruiting class was good. It's similar talent to what we've had the last 10 years. What's the difference now as opposed to when Dan was here? Coaching! Mullen got the most out of his roster, Joe hasn't. Not rocket science.

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Agree. And that?s why if joe gets to 6-6, same or better as Dan did 4 years, I just do not see us firing him.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You cant rely on recruiting rankings to support your first paragraph and then totally ignore those same rankings in your second paragraph by stating we have more talent than TN and USCe.

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We need a coach who can do more with less and Joe has proven he does less with more. Recruiting rankings mean nothing with Jrs and Srs. Recruiting rankings are not written in stone and delivered when Moses descends from Mount Sinai.

Witherspoon has played in almost every game

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Man. This isn't a talent issue.

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JWS said it back in the day; everyone has big fast players. What you do with them is what determines the outcome. We have talent. Bad coaching can run our talent in the ground which is exactly what has happened.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Nm

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Hate he didn't get a RS. Wasted a year on him. Shrader as well.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Hate he didn't get a RS. Wasted a year on him. Shrader as well.

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IT is what it is. I get we need 3 RBs - but it's like some other players on the roster don't even exist anymore. As little as he has actually carried the ball, why not play him in 4, make Dear the emergency RB, or play Robert Rivers (who was good enough to play ST and get some garbage time last year but hasn't seen the field other than USM?). I just don't get it

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

IT is what it is. I get we need 3 RBs - but it's like some other players on the roster don't even exist anymore. As little as he has actually carried the ball, why not play him in 4, make Dear the emergency RB, or play Robert Rivers (who was good enough to play ST and get some garbage time last year but hasn't seen the field other than USM?). I just don't get it

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Just another area Joe screws up and that's his redshirt plan.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Some of the problem is he isn’t playing the best players. Start Shrader, Payton, and Dontae Jones and that in and of itself would help the offense out. Heck start Zuber or even Austin Williams is better than Guidry. Malik Dear has been wasted this year too even after being productive against Kentucky at running back.

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Jones and Spivey have a skill set that is not being used at all.

Jo is completely lost on player rotation. He goes with his guys and that’s it. He’d need a timeout if he ever decided to make personnel changes.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Jo is completely lost on player rotation. He goes with his guys and that’s it. He’d need a timeout if he ever decided to make personnel changes.

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I've hated that from day 1. Playing your best 11 whole game with almost no rotations. Are we still in the 1960s? He does seem to be subbing some now and more than he did to begin with.

ETA: Not only that how do younger guys gain experience doing that.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

It?s clear that we just don?t have horses regardless of coaches

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Not to run this offense. We don?t have a WR who would start for another SEC program outside of Vanderbilt. Football team also has an IQ level slightly below our fans?. Yeah I said it C34.

The DL talent dropped and we are very young there .. and Safety dropped ... ( Simmons Sweat and Abram )
Other than those positions it?s basically the same talent that was on last years team

Yes Willie, Autry, and Murphy with tutor gate hurt.
But there was enough talent on This team to win 8 games. At worse 7

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

The DL talent dropped and we are very young there .. and Safety dropped ... ( Simmons Sweat and Abram )
Other than those positions it?s basically the same talent that was on last years team

Yes Willie, Autry, and Murphy with tutor gate hurt.
But there was enough talent on This team to win 8 games. At worse 7

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Joe underachieved last year, and he's underachieving this year. Fitz took the fall last year, and this year apparently the whole team will be blamed.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

We still have a shot at 6 and fans on here are actively rooting for us to lose. So yes, whether they should or not, fans quit too.

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And 6 wins is the floor after a disappointing season last year. Two straight years underachieving is a problem.

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Originally Posted by JohnHenryBonham

Not to run this offense. We don?t have a WR who would start for another SEC program outside of Vanderbilt. Football team also has an IQ level slightly below our fans?. Yeah I said it C34.

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This offense will never work here. We can’t recruit at elite levels and it requires high IQ, elite talent. Even then it’s a marginal scheme if you look at Penn State. Clemson dropped a similar scheme earlier this year because they couldn’t run it either.

I don't see how anyone comes to the conclusion that a lack of talent is the reason for the debacle we are seeing. We have top 25-30 talent and are playing at a top 55-60 level.

Last year out of UK, UF, LSU & the bowl game should have easily produced 2 more wins, maybe 3. And yes, I'm including last year's LSU game. Against D's with a pulse, our offense looked like a moose trying to impregnate a washing machine and that is still the case this year. Anything resembling a mediocre offensive coach should have netted us 10-11 wins last year with what was arguably our most talented and competent defense we've ever fielded.

We've looked like complete shit this year including our wins outside AR. We should be looking for our 8th win Thur with an easy egg bowl victory over a 4-7 OM team on our own fking field but no, that's not the case. Talent is useless if it has no competent S&C program with no off season training requirements. Throw in a coach confused as to who should QB and this is whatcha got.