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11-21-2019, 09:55 AM
bluelightstar

We averaged FOUR points per game in our SEC losses last year. It was pretty clear from that to me that Moorhead would fail.
11-21-2019, 09:57 AM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Encouraged to see that maybe we have an administration that doesn't accept crap

But will they make the right New hire. Time will tell.
11-21-2019, 09:59 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

People play both ways in basketball.

Wut? Your off the reservation now. You keep bringing up the RR analogy.
11-21-2019, 09:59 AM
Ari Gold

I said it weeks ago
JC gets a mulligan if he fires him after the season. Everyone was wrong on the guy.. The cant fire a guy this quick excuse wont be used against us... BUT if you wait one or 2 more years and if he doesnt fix the issues ( and there are a lot of issues) then it?s all on Cohen.

And with the short list of coaches, if you are the AD at MSU you ALWAYS every year have a short list of coaches and are always proactive with them... no matter who the coach is here or his record...
11-21-2019, 10:02 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Coach34

not seeing the problem? JoVester also inherited the SEC?s all-time leading rusher at QB, a one thousand yard rusher in Williams along with a probable NFL talent in Hill. 2 linemen that are now in the NFL- one considered to be the top rookie OL guy. Plus he will have another drafted this year- so that?s 3 NFL linemen of the 5 he started last year. Then add Green plus the WR?s.

8 returning offensive starters from an offense that was ranked 41st in the country in 2017. Yeah- poor JoVester

Here is a question for you? last year with A-train and Hill both SEC talent. And our WRs sunbelt talent. Why would you not remove the slot Guy and replace Him with Hill and Have A-train and Fitz in the backfield. Then we have 3 really good playmakers on offense. i believe I could come up a good game plan revolving around those 3. with 3 NFL talented OL.
11-21-2019, 10:02 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

We averaged FOUR points per game in our SEC losses last year. It was pretty clear from that to me that Moorhead would fail.

Nah man ... according to Liverpool we sucked on offense and had no talent. Even tho the year before with almost exact same team we had 3 SEC losses to much, much stronger teams and defenses (not counting OM due to Fitz ankle injury) and averaged 11 pts/game in those. We didn't lose to KY, a down FL team at home, substandard LSU and Bama teams. But ... Liverpool intellectual like Moorhead and knows all. ETA: I think the intellectual part is why Liverpool likes him so much. They relate well to each other.
11-21-2019, 12:13 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Here is a question for you? last year with A-train and Hill both SEC talent. And our WRs sunbelt talent. Why would you not remove the slot Guy and replace Him with Hill and Have A-train and Fitz in the backfield. Then we have 3 really good playmakers on offense. i believe I could come up a good game plan revolving around those 3. with 3 NFL talented OL.

The biggest flaw in Joe’s offense is using the same personnel groups 85% of the time or more. You can’t maximize talent that way. See Malik Dear this year too.
11-21-2019, 07:05 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not sure what you are asking. My opinion is we are a good team that is probably an 8 win caliber team that has been coached down to six wins.

If you're talking about our schedule:

ULL- Might win the Sun Belt and probably wins at least 10 games with losses to us and Appalachain State. Heck- a lot of us want their coach.
USM- 7-3 with losses to MSU and Alabama and La Tech who is first in their division in C-USA. USM could win a co-championship in their division with La Tech and is probably an 8 win team at worst.
Kentucky- Pretty much a lock to go 6-6 at worst and their coach is a candidate for the FSU job.
K-State- 6-4 with losses to Oklahoma State, Texas, Baylor, and West Virginia and have a very nice win over Oklahoma. Have a first year coach and I think they win at least seven games this year.
Auburn- An 8 win team at worst and they may pull 9 with Tua out.
Tennessee- Almost a lock for 6 wins at worst and could pull 7 if they beat Mizzou.
LSU- Undefeated and could win the SEC and National Title.
Texas A&M- I think they end up 7-5 with a meat grinder of a schedule meaning they're probably better than their record- had to play Clemson, LSU, Georgia, and Alabama.
Arkansas- LOL. 2-8 and we blew them out.
Alabama- One loss team that may end up in the playoffs. No worse than 10-2 because their QB is out. Still have a chance at 11-1.
Abeline Christian- FCS team
Ole Miss- 4-7 at the moment.

That's a very difficult schedule any way you cut it.

Todd, what I meant was that no way we should be fighting for six wins this year. Agree with you that with an SEC caliber coach we should have gotten 8 with our team and schedule. I also feel that we have passed the days of any amount of losses is ok as long as we beat UM. We may not even get 6 with No Mo Jo this year. I have been to all home games this year and watched the road games on the tube. I have not felt excited at any game attended or watched since KY last year. He has got to go after the EGG, win or lose!
11-21-2019, 11:33 PM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

If so we better have the replacement already on board. As I said, I think it's dangerous. As I also said, I'm on the fence so it won't bother me too much either way so long as it's not Rick Ray 2.0. . Losing to Ole Miss will bother me.

Moorhead is Rick ray 2.0. The only difference is he inherited a program in better shape than what stans left ray, so the bottoming out is taking a little longer while we purge out the guys that remember what it was like to have a good HC.
11-21-2019, 11:45 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Todd, what I meant was that no way we should be fighting for six wins this year. Agree with you that with an SEC caliber coach we should have gotten 8 with our team and schedule. I also feel that we have passed the days of any amount of losses is ok as long as we beat UM. We may not even get 6 with No Mo Jo this year. I have been to all home games this year and watched the road games on the tube. I have not felt excited at any game attended or watched since KY last year. He has got to go after the EGG, win or lose!

I agree. This should be an 8 win team. And last year should have been 10. If not more.
11-22-2019, 06:51 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgs

Moorhead is Rick ray 2.0. The only difference is he inherited a program in better shape than what stans left ray, so the bottoming out is taking a little longer while we purge out the guys that remember what it was like to have a good HC.

Correct. He's a 4-8 caliber coach that Peter Principled his way into a better job than that.

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