We ran the ball on 1st down 14 out of 15 of our possessions vs KSU

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Even worse than a woman. He tries to twist everything to try to fit his narrative.

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Noooooo, not 7. He never would twist or take a topic down his irrational, irrelevant rabbit hole.

Fact is this. We wore their asses down in 2nd half and could have rammed the ball down their throat. Another fact is, our offensive guru provides zero deception to make our running threat more effective. The only game he has ever done this was auburn last season. He stuck to the run and added in some deception with motion and other tricks. Funny how that seemed to work well, yet we never went back to it.

The data and track record suggest our guru is hell bent on forcing his square peg into and octagonal hole, come hell or high water. Until the data (play calling) proves otherwise, anyone thinking anything will change, probably has purchased numerous bridges and Arizona ocean front lots in their lifetimes.

Carry on sheeple. Keep believing a tiger can change their stripes. Please document it when you see it. We will put it up there with the Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster sightings.

Joe did that against auburn because the heat was building up in the higher ups in the fan base. I honestly wonder if that heat is now warm enough this season for him to go back to it to get things kinda back on track this year. It may not matter though unless gibson is full go as he'll need hill and gibson to carry the ball that many times.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Noooooo, not 7. He never would twist or take a topic down his irrational, irrelevant rabbit hole.

Fact is this. We wore their asses down in 2nd half and could have rammed the ball down their throat. Another fact is, our offensive guru provides zero deception to make our running threat more effective. The only game he has ever done this was auburn last season. He stuck to the run and added in some deception with motion and other tricks. Funny how that seemed to work well, yet we never went back to it.

The data and track record suggest our guru is hell bent on forcing his square peg into and octagonal hole, come hell or high water. Until the data (play calling) proves otherwise, anyone thinking anything will change, probably has purchased numerous bridges and Arizona ocean front lots in their lifetimes.

Carry on sheeple. Keep believing a tiger can change their stripes. Please document it when you see it. We will put it up there with the Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster sightings.

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I think joe would do well to have a run game coordinator. It does not seem to be his strong suit, I agree.

He seems to be pretty good in the passing game conceptually, meaning good at getting people open. Even Saturday we had receivers running open and TS either sailed it, Guidry and zuber dropped it, or GS didn?t see it.

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Originally Posted by biggun

And we rushed for 2 yards or less on all 14 1st down rushes! We faced 2nd and 8 or longer a whopping 14 times last Saturday. Not good. The O Line must get much better push, but when the D knows what is coming it is much easier to defend.

Way too predictable! Mix in a few passes on 1st down, please Joe.

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I actually believe it was 12 out of 15 and the other two times we threw a swing pass to Kylin. All they had to do on first down was key on Kylin.

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

I actually believe it was 12 out of 15 and the other two times we threw a swing pass to Kylin. All they had to do on first down was key on Kylin.

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It’s already been shown that there were only 10 drives that this had a first down run for 2 or less yards at all and only 9/15 were on the first play of the drive, A majority of them in the first half.

This is the default signature MSU play when gameplan isn't working.

For what it's worth, we're averaging 4.96 ypc on 1st down rushes on the season. That's 6th in the SEC. SC and UGA are kicking ass and taking names on 1st down rushes. Ranked 1 & 2 in the SEC and nationally at 8.34 and 8.22 ypc. Florida's bringing up the rear in the SEC at 2.81 ypc on first downs.

Just for kicks, I looked at our performance at 1st down rushes over the past decade. The curve isn't huge. The top team in the SEC usually averages around 6 - 6.4 ypc and the bottom usually averages around 3.7 - 4.0 ypc. We ranked 1st in the SEC in 2014 and 2018, averaging 6.21 ypc both years. We were middle of the pack a lot -- 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th in seven of the ten seasons -- and below average only once (2012 (surprise surprise) at 10th in the league).

2017 MSU Fan - "Always Run, Never Pass" is the motto, but also Dan is so predictable always running it on 3rd down

2018 MSU Fan - "Always Run, Never Pass" but not with our #2 all-time rushing leader, use the "NFL level" talent Sophomore.

2019 MSU Fan - "Always run, never pass" except on first down that's too predictable, but do it on 3rd and 2, even though we used to complain about Dan doing all the time

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

It’s already been shown that there were only 10 drives that this had a first down run for 2 or less yards at all and only 9/15 were on the first play of the drive, A majority of them in the first half.

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Our first 10 drives of the game, we ran the ball on every 1st down!!! Go to Hailstate.com and look it up!!!!

And we ran on 1st down, 13 of the 15 total drives we had for the game. Once again, go look it up.

My bad for saying 14/15 when it was 13/15!!!!

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Originally Posted by biggun

Our first 10 drives of the game, we ran the ball on every 1st down!!! Go to Hailstate.com and look it up!!!!

And we ran on 1st down, 13 of the 15 total drives we had for the game. Once again, go look it up.

My bad for saying 14/15 when it was 13/15!!!!

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You said for 2 or less yards too. Made it seem like they were all bad run plays.

How long have you been watching football? The old style used to be the 2-3 yd bruising runs all game to weaken the defense and by the 2nd half, especially the 4th, those runs turn into 5,10+ yds as the defense is worn out.

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Your mentality about running is actually what a lot of people claim that Moorhead fails at (myself included). He doesn’t simplify it and let this team grind a d-line all game to where it pays dividends in the 4th even against a stacked box. Against a stacked box in the 4th after doing that is where the hb hits the homerun cause there’s no secondary to support that initial broken tackle. Had we continued to run it on the FG drive instead of “not being predictabel” I’d bet we score a TD and if we continued that mentality the rest of the game we’d have walked out winning.

That’s my biggest gripe with Moorhead. UK last year was a prime example where he kept passing when it didn’t work and didn’t let our run game factor at all in the 4th. (Be that called plays or QB reads). This team doesn’t have Moorhead’s identity yet. At its core it is a power run team. You can’t abandon that identity with a QB who can’t run our passing system properly.

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Originally Posted by biggun

Our first 10 drives of the game, we ran the ball on every 1st down!!! Go to Hailstate.com and look it up!!!!

And we ran on 1st down, 13 of the 15 total drives we had for the game. Once again, go look it up.

My bad for saying 14/15 when it was 13/15!!!!

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Here's the espn play-by-play

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...meId=401110792

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Originally Posted by biggun

Our first 10 drives of the game, we ran the ball on every 1st down!!! Go to Hailstate.com and look it up!!!!

And we ran on 1st down, 13 of the 15 total drives we had for the game. Once again, go look it up.

My bad for saying 14/15 when it was 13/15!!!!

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“Every 1st down”

1st & 10 at MSST 43
(7:37 - 1st) Tommy Stevens sacked by Kyle Ball for a loss of 4 yards to the MisSt 39

1st & 10 at KSU 44
(6:28 - 1st) Tommy Stevens pass intercepted Denzel Goolsby return for 16 yds to the KanSt 47

1st & 10 at KSU 47
(0:26 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass incomplete

1st & 10 at KSU 35
(0:09 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass complete to Osirus Mitchell for 35 yds for a TD, (Jace Christmann KICK)

1st & 10 at KSU 28
(7:39 - 3rd) Garrett Shrader pass incomplete

From the first 10 drives. How about YOU look up your facts for you blatantly lie about them.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

“Every 1st down”

1st & 10 at MSST 43
(7:37 - 1st) Tommy Stevens sacked by Kyle Ball for a loss of 4 yards to the MisSt 39

1st & 10 at KSU 44
(6:28 - 1st) Tommy Stevens pass intercepted Denzel Goolsby return for 16 yds to the KanSt 47

1st & 10 at KSU 47
(0:26 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass incomplete

1st & 10 at KSU 35
(0:09 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass complete to Osirus Mitchell for 35 yds for a TD, (Jace Christmann KICK)

1st & 10 at KSU 28
(7:39 - 3rd) Garrett Shrader pass incomplete

From the first 10 drives. How about YOU look up your facts for you blatantly lie about them.

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It's a message board.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

“Every 1st down”

1st & 10 at MSST 43
(7:37 - 1st) Tommy Stevens sacked by Kyle Ball for a loss of 4 yards to the MisSt 39

1st & 10 at KSU 44
(6:28 - 1st) Tommy Stevens pass intercepted Denzel Goolsby return for 16 yds to the KanSt 47

1st & 10 at KSU 47
(0:26 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass incomplete

1st & 10 at KSU 35
(0:09 - 2nd) Tommy Stevens pass complete to Osirus Mitchell for 35 yds for a TD, (Jace Christmann KICK)

1st & 10 at KSU 28
(7:39 - 3rd) Garrett Shrader pass incomplete

From the first 10 drives. How about YOU look up your facts for you blatantly lie about them.

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LOL