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08-21-2019, 12:54 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Having two really talented TEs in the same set adds an interesting wrinkle. Why not.

I'm all for it.
08-21-2019, 12:56 PM
Bothrops

Fitz was a hell of a football player, unfortunately they don't give awards to qb's that rush for record yards. Nobody cares about that except the respective fans. Which is terrible.
08-21-2019, 12:58 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Fitz was a hell of a football player, unfortunately they don't give awards to qb's that rush for record yards. Nobody cares about that except the respective fans. Which is terrible.

Well we certainly have a proud tradition of great QBs here, so yeah, we should trash one of our better ones.
08-21-2019, 12:59 PM
Cooterpoot

I trust Steve?s opinion like I trust a Taco Bell fart. We?ll be better on offense because we can?t really be worse. The rest is a guess.
08-21-2019, 01:05 PM
thf24

Come on, there's a huge difference between "trashing" a player and pointing out how his shortcomings might have contributed to problems we're hoping to resolve going forward. The former shouldn't be tolerated, but complaining about the latter is no different than trying to suppress negativity about the future.
08-21-2019, 01:05 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I trust Steve?s opinion like I trust a Taco Bell fart. We?ll be better on offense because we can?t really be worse. The rest is a guess.

Our DL will get exposed in the middle against LSU, Bama and probably Auburn. We should have the best offense since '14 or '15.
08-21-2019, 01:10 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well we certainly have a proud tradition of great QBs here, so yeah, we should trash one of our better ones.

I'm not trashin, I'm stating that we had a record breaking football player that got little to no respect around the the land. And may never get it.
08-21-2019, 01:12 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by thf24

Come on, there's a huge difference between "trashing" a player and pointing out how his shortcomings might have contributed to problems we're hoping to resolve going forward. The former shouldn't be tolerated, but complaining about the latter is no different than trying to suppress negativity about the future.

On the previous page, a poster pretty said fitz is stupid, and didn't study his play book. Exactly what evidence is there to support this? Is that trashing or pointing out shortcomings?
08-21-2019, 01:18 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by msstate7

On the previous page, a poster pretty said fitz is stupid, and didn't study his play book. Exactly what evidence is there to support this? Is that trashing or pointing out shortcomings?

I never said legitimate trashing doesn't happen, and it shouldn't. But in my observation, what's at this point harmless criticism for the sake of discussion usually gets lumped into the same category.
08-21-2019, 01:43 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

On the previous page, a poster pretty said fitz is stupid, and didn't study his play book. Exactly what evidence is there to support this? Is that trashing or pointing out shortcomings?

Wrong 7, not trashing nor anywhere saying he was stupid, it's a known fact he was a party dude? Why do you think he was suspended?
What's stupid is you saying someone called him stupid.
08-21-2019, 01:50 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Seems the whipping post is Fitz for all things wrong with our offense last year. I?m not buying it.

Bleeding the clock to zero was on JoMo. It didn?t happen during the Mullen era with the same personnel.

This exact thing cost us a win against LSU in 2015. There has been plenty of times that it happened under Mullen.
08-21-2019, 02:02 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'm not sure there has been a single player that has caught more shit than Fitz. Say what you want about that kid, but lets be clear - we don't beat AU without him last year. He averaged 6.0 ypc over his career at MSU. S-I-X yards a carry in over 581 carries. Y'all may think that is easily replaceable, I'll wait a bit.

Just saying, the kid never lost to the confederates when he was able to walk, had 99 total touchdowns and close to 10,000 total yards in his MSU career, where he went 22-14 as a starter in the SEC.

So if you are going to blame the kid for clock management (which he never had a problem with before last year) at least put some respect on his name.

I think more than anything Fitz was behind the 8 ball going into the year. We switched from a run first QB offense to a pass first look. That is going to go against some of his instincts that Mullen had drilled into him. Add in that he lost a step from the injury and wasn't able to take live reps in the new offense until August and it was a tough job. Fitz didn't have the experience at QB that a lot of people have at that stage of his career. He was only a starting QB for his senior year and even then it was in a triple option.

It was a tough task and Fitz did ok but a lot of our issues was in the lack of passing game. There was big issues either finding the open man or the WR actually catching the ball when it got there. Plenty of blame to go around including the head coach but QB was an issue in last year's offense. That said, Fitz was an absolute warrior and carried the team with his legs a lot of the last 3 years. Sometimes he tried to do too much but at the end of the day, he was just trying to win games for MSU. He definitely doesn't deserve to get run down all the time but neither does Moorhead.
08-21-2019, 02:04 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If joe has ran 1 rb, 1 te sets his whole career and now goes 2-rb/2-te sets, that seems to indicate joe isn't as confident in our WRs as most here

Or maybe he thinks he has multiple TEs and just wants to get his best players on the field. At least I hope that is what is going on. I have only seen one year where that happened and CJ Sirmones is still wide open for a TD. That guy could have played in the NFL if he kept his head on straight. He was a better receiver than Donald Lee.
08-21-2019, 02:04 PM
fishwater99

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Our DL will get exposed in the middle against LSU, Bama and probably Auburn. We should have the best offense since '14 or '15.

Really?

We have 2nd year coach and an un-proven QB who couldn't win the job at PSU. I wouldn't hold my breath.
08-21-2019, 02:10 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Uh, we weren't running ******* offense anymore.

They didn't look to the sideline at Penn State b/c McSorely knew what he was doing. I expect the same from Tommy.

Man, don't bother... it's like talking to a wall. They'll be eating crow soon enough.
08-21-2019, 02:12 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

Really?

We have 2nd year coach and an un-proven QB who couldn't win the job at PSU. I wouldn't hold my breath.

That is definitely more of the optimist. Our offense might improve but we have Auburn and A&M on the road to go with LSU and Bama at home. We have rarely won any of those games in our history and all of those teams could have a top 15 type defense. Mullen rarely scored double digits against those type of defenses so I wouldn't expect much more from Moorhead.
08-21-2019, 02:17 PM
Turfdawg67

The same ppl dead set against putting any of the blame on Fitz are the same that'll be crediting Tommy for "saving" JoMo's job... watch.
08-21-2019, 02:20 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

The same ppl dead set against putting any of the blame on Fitz are the same that'll be crediting Tommy for "saving" JoMo's job... watch.

Same people think we somehow could have kept Mullen and won a National Title last year.
08-21-2019, 02:25 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

Really?

We have 2nd year coach and an un-proven QB who couldn't win the job at PSU. I wouldn't hold my breath.

You realize that's only comparing this year to three seasons, one of which we were pretty bad and went 5-7 in the regular season, one where we were pretty good on offense but got demolished by good defenses on the road, and one where we were pretty decent but were ineffective against good defenses. That's not exactly a high bar to clear.
08-21-2019, 02:41 PM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz gets trashed here daily. Totally unfair

Moorhead gets trashed here daily, totally unfair.

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