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08-12-2019, 06:31 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Well, let me give you some insight on that. It's not a coincidence that they were all on the opposite side of the ball from the one that the Country Club recruited.

The reality of recruiting at the end of the day is it comes back to roost three-five years after a class is put together. That's why Mullen gets blamed for some of our weaknesses last year even though you want to blame all of it on Joe. Joe didn't recruit:

1. A high school option QB that was more concerned with his girlfriend than learning to read defenses.

2. WR's that couldn't catch the ball. One of whom was a last minute add on in April or May because Dan forgot that we had no receivers taller than 5'11" until the spring game.

3. A lack of depth on OL which forced us to play a guard at RT and a guy at LT that may not even start for us this year and has been moved back to RT.

Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like you
08-12-2019, 06:42 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Honestly that didn't really mean much to me.

But my opinion is based on the fact that I had heard that he was going to Athens, Georgia all the time to visit his girlfriend and I guess to your point that excuse he came up with as to not shave his head was because of his girlfriend's beauty pageant. And then he was suspended for game one. That all said a lot to me.

And I don't mind our players having a social life and having a life away from football. I think that's actually important that they do have a life away from the sport. But it's an issue if it keeps them from doing what they need to do to excel on the field.

All of that is why I am a little harder on him than some on the board.

John Bond hops in Corvette after game in Jackson to go party in Athens = MSU living legend, epitome of 80's baller
Nick Fitz visits girlfriend in offseason = slacker who doesn't care

Nick Fitz - suspended for a meaning less name for unknown rules violation = lacks leadership skills
KT, probable QB starter, rumored since February to be missing multiple games for academic dishonesty = little criticism from board (until Stevens transferred in)

It amazes me sometime how contradictory our fans can be (and Todd - I'm not attributing these other comments to you specifically, just general board opinions over the years)
08-12-2019, 06:59 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Would you call A&M dropping 10+ passes a fluke? Or auburn fumbling going into the end zone? It's amazing how people just remember the drops or bad stuff that happens to us. Those two games are different if those things don't happen. But I'm not giving them back.

No coach ever has labeled a strip of the ball as flukey. Auburn guy didn?t just drop the ball, he was hit and stripped of the football. That?s not flukey. That?s a football play teams practice daily.
08-12-2019, 07:02 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

One of the world's great mysteries is how Mullen sucked so bad at recruiting, yet ended up with 3 1st rounders last season and a bunch more drafted players coming this year.

Agree. Mullen recruited a slew of guys who are in nfl now.
08-12-2019, 07:20 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Agree. Mullen recruited a slew of guys who are in nfl now.

Yep, NFL is loaded with offensive guys from State *** You dumbasses who continue to bitch Moorhead?s offensive production last year at least need to be consistent with your straw grasping and whining
08-12-2019, 07:23 AM
StateDawg44

Look.... another thread hijacked for the sake of arguing about our receivers and other reasons we should be miserable leading up to this year in football. Same dead beat horse.

While the thread title is bringing more attention to the nickname than the poster even does in his posts, the topic has some how evolved into a 3 page thread about the same convers.... errrr argument.... you see on every other page you click on.

This season can't start soon enough.
08-12-2019, 07:29 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

Yep, NFL is loaded with offensive guys from State *** You dumbasses who continue to bitch Moorhead?s offensive production last year at least need to be consistent with your straw grasping and whining

Confucius, forgive him... he has no idea you're nowhere close to anti-Moorhead. I think he's a little slow. Just pray for him
08-12-2019, 08:06 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like you

I have not seen anybody disrespect him. I defended him his whole time at MSU. That does not excuse the fact that he did not grasp the new system and was making horrible reads and late.
08-12-2019, 08:16 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like you

He is probably the 2nd best QB in school history. Had Mullen stayed he probably gives Dak a run for his money
08-12-2019, 08:26 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Yeah.. we know you could have done better.... which Is why I encourage you to apply for the job.

we could have kept our skeleton crew of Coaches that beat Louisville and won 10 last year.
08-12-2019, 08:28 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like you

Fitz was a Warrior who left everything out on the field. He also didn't "get" Moorhead's offense. Fitz wasn't a consistent enough passer to run an offense that wasn't run option first. He is probably the best running QB in SEC history but his lack of experience throwing the ball really hurt the offense. Mullen's offense masked his deficiencies a lot better than Moorhead did although Joe did run a bastardized version later in the season to get Fitz at least comfortable. Even then Fitz never really ran the offense to its full potential. Fitz just had a whole lot stacked against him last year. Now if Stevens looks like Fitz did last year then it probably is the offense not working against the speed of SEC defenses. Fitz missed wide open guys all year the biggest example being the flea flicker against Bama so I am not sold on Moorhead's offense just not working as of right now.
08-12-2019, 08:30 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

we could have kept our skeleton crew of Coaches that beat Louisville and won 10 last year.

You would definitely want to make a huge decision like that based on winning a game against the worst DC since Ron Cooper.
08-12-2019, 08:43 AM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like you

Q Weatherspoon says hello....
08-12-2019, 08:47 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

John Bond hops in Corvette after game in Jackson to go party in Athens = MSU living legend, epitome of 80's baller
Nick Fitz visits girlfriend in offseason = slacker who doesn't care

Nick Fitz - suspended for a meaning less name for unknown rules violation = lacks leadership skills
KT, probable QB starter, rumored since February to be missing multiple games for academic dishonesty = little criticism from board (until Stevens transferred in)

It amazes me sometime how contradictory our fans can be (and Todd - I'm not attributing these other comments to you specifically, just general board opinions over the years)

It’s pretty much a MSU tradition for our fans to have a Ugly separation with the senior QB. Madkin is another grossly under appreciated former player.
08-12-2019, 08:58 AM
Ari Gold

Fitz is gone.
Last year is over .
Dan Mullen is gone. and he better win the east soon or he won’t be in Gainesville in a few years

Enjoy the upcoming season. We have some guys in place this year. We have some NFL talent (probably the most ever called come April) on the field.

Joe is in year 2 . He is getting his kind of guys here. We have some stud juco guys joining the program next year with some talented young kids. The OL and recruiting the OL talent is a huge improvement . We are getting Big time WR prospects to at least give us looks and showing interest. Defense is still recruiting at a SEC high level .

Just keep building the program and winning games...I’m sure the ****s up in Oxford would kill for what we have right now in football .. so ****ing enjoy it
08-12-2019, 09:04 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Q Weatherspoon says hello....

And he had surgery and fought through an injury. He was also All SEC this year.
08-12-2019, 09:07 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

And he had surgery and fought through an injury. He was also All SEC this year.

And he's loved by our fanbase as he should be
08-12-2019, 09:14 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

One of the world's great mysteries is how Mullen sucked so bad at recruiting, yet ended up with 3 1st rounders last season and a bunch more drafted players coming this year.

That?s what staying somewhere for 9 years will get you. Imagine if the HS coaches actually liked him. That?s why so many of us knew that Dan had peaked. He hadn?t reach MSU?s ceiling, he had reached his ceiling.
08-12-2019, 09:17 AM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And he's loved by our fanbase as he should be

Well u just have been absent on the basketball recruiting threads the last 4 years
08-12-2019, 09:18 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

That?s what staying somewhere for 9 years will get you. Imagine if the HS coaches actually liked him. That?s why so many of us knew that Dan had peaked. He hadn?t reach MSU?s ceiling, he had reached his ceiling.

Could be, but he matched his best season here in year 1 at Florida.

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