Statement from Bin612

They learned from politics. Apologize without creating a quote admitting fault. A way of our world that disheartens.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

That's right ... they seemed to not really have a "plan" in place and were just reacting, almost in a panic mode. Most likely that will change now.

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I can see this being the case. It's also possible that this type of stuff is so infrequent that they weren't 100% familiar with the plan. I work in a hospital, and, last year when a we had a tornado warning, most of us didn't remember the exact protocol because we hadn't had that happen at work. We had the risk manager there to remind us, but that is a much bigger operation than a restaurant.

About the cussing- it's not the best look. But let's be real. It's a bar, and these are drunk college kids. They had probably been warned and asked to leave. A bar crowd is not the type you can ask politely to please leave.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

I can see this being the case. It's also possible that this type of stuff is so infrequent that they weren't 100% familiar with the plan. I work in a hospital, and, last year when a we had a tornado warning, most of us didn't remember the exact protocol because we hadn't had that happen at work. We had the risk manager there to remind us, but that is a much bigger operation than a restaurant.

About the cussing- it's not the best look. But let's be real. It's a bar, and these are drunk college kids. They had probably been warned and asked to leave. A bar crowd is not the type you can ask politely to please leave.

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A GD tornado is coming. It shouldn't matter if you're drunk or not. And they aren't exactly kids. Everyone in that bar should be at least 21 and I'm sure quite a few are a good bit older than that. You can ask or tell me whatever you want. I'm doing what I think is best for me, which probably is not leaving and getting in my car.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Even with the glass windows being under a table in that restaurant would have been safer than being outdoors.

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But getting told to find safer protection with sufficient time to spare is even better, which appears to be what they tried to do.

I'm not shocked a bunch of drunk college kids on the biggest party weekend of the spring didn't react well to being told the bar was closing early and that they need to head elsewhere. When I saw the social media uproar it definitely smelled like we weren't hearing the full story and this seems more than entirely reasonable to me.

Obviously if there was a tornado barreling down university drive, then the discussion is entirely different.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Yelling "GTFO" to their customers... yeah, no reason to apologize for that**

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I'm sure 200+ drunk college kids who had been partying all weekend for SBW were totally reasonable and receptive to being kindly asked to vacate the premises an hour or 2 before they expected to head home.

As if the establishment knew when and where a tornado would hit...come on man. I understand that they didn't have the capacity to safely confine that number of patrons, but making them leave would have been a trail lawyer's wet dream if anybody had been hurt or killed outside the establishment.

How old until you're not a kid anymore? The average age in there was probably 23 or so.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

As if the establishment knew when and where a tornado would hit...come on man. I understand that they didn't have the capacity to safely confine that number of patrons, but making them leave would have been a trail lawyer's wet dream if anybody had been hurt or killed outside the establishment.

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So would keeping them in there with the way that place is set up. It's open and almost entirely fronted by glass. If there really is an underground parking garage across the street and they told the patrons to go there, they did the right thing. Now that being said.....I had no idea there was a parking garage across the street and I've eaten at Two Brothers a lot.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

So would keeping them in there with the way that place is set up. It's open and almost entirely fronted by glass. If there really is an underground parking garage across the street and they told the patrons to go there, they did the right thing. Now that being said.....I had no idea there was a parking garage across the street and I've eaten at Two Brothers a lot.

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The Parking Garage referred to is on the street that runs from 612 toward Stagger Inn. If you turn left off University at 612 it is under the first building on your left.

Have any local bars jumped on the opportunity to say "we care about our customers unlike the bar that threw you out in a tornado" or whatever?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Have any local bars jumped on the opportunity to say "we care about our customers unlike the bar that threw you out in a tornado" or whatever?

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No because that’s stupid.

ETA- You’re not going to create stupid beefs with your peers, neighbors, and community. Guys like Ty, Jay, Dave, etc... are respected in the business.

Let me explain something to a bunch of y’all who are showing how little you know about the food and beverage business in general but especially Starkville. Ty owns a bunch of spots and is respected in the business. He’s done more for Starkville than any of those entitled kids who went out to drink during a tornado warning. Those kids will be graduated and moved on in 2 years and guess what? Ty will still be in Starkville growing his brand, creating jobs, and generating mega tax dollars. Should this situation been handled better? Yes and he said so. This so called scandal will amount to nothing. No one was hurt and everything will March on. Anybody wishing anything negative on Ty is a petulant child that needs to grow up.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

Let me explain something to a bunch of y’all who are showing how little you know about the food and beverage business in general but especially Starkville. Ty owns a bunch of spots and is respected in the business. He’s done more for Starkville than any of those entitled kids who went out to drink during a tornado warning. Those kids will be graduated and moved on in 2 years and guess what? Ty will still be in Starkville growing his brand, creating jobs, and generating mega tax dollars. Should this situation been handled better? Yes and he said so. This so called scandal will amount to nothing. No one was hurt and everything will March on. Anybody wishing anything negative on Ty is a petulant child that needs to grow up.

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Well didn't he build this on the dollar of the "entitled kids"? Once this group of "entitled kids" is gone, there will be another group to take their place. You have a pretty shitty view of the students at miss state

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well didn't he build this on the dollar of the "entitled kids"? Once this group of "entitled kids" is gone, there will be another group to take their place. You have a pretty shitty view of the students at miss state

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No I don’t. My bil and his gf sent a pic of them in a hallway with pillows and blankets during the tornado scare. A girl that works for me was up with the weekend and did the same thing in their friend’s apartment. It’s called having a thinking brain and discernment. You want to boycott a great business man in Starkville because a small portion of drunk students went out during a tornado warning. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

No I don?t. My bil and his gf sent a pic of them in a hallway with pillows and blankets during the tornado scare. A girl that works for me was up with the weekend and did the same thing in their friend?s apartment. It?s called having a thinking brain and discernment. You want to boycott a great business man in Starkville because a small portion of drunk students went out during a tornado warning. That?s the stupidest thing I?ve ever heard.

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I'm not boycotting anything. If the ones that were there feel it was worthy of boycotting, then do it. Why were the students dumb for being out and the owner of the business above reproach while having the business open during a tornado warning? Seems you just wanna side with the owner no matter what when both are to blame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well didn't he build this on the dollar of the "entitled kids"? Once this group of "entitled kids" is gone, there will be another group to take their place. You have a pretty shitty view of the students at miss state

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And while we’re here let’s make something clear. MSU has what, 20k students? The vast majority are not entitled and work their butt off at school, their jobs, and take out loans to go to school. I’m very pro student and wish the city wouldn’t fight progress. However, this isn’t one of those situations.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm not boycotting anything. If the ones that were there feel it was worthy of boycotting, then do it. Why were the students dumb for being out and the owner of the business above reproach while having the business open during a tornado warning? Seems you just wanna side with the owner no matter what when both are to blame

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You’re damn right I’m going to side with Ty over a handful of dramatic, drunk 22 year olds. Is that even a real question? Ty acknowledged numerous mistakes in his statement. I’ve been a drunk 22 year old at State and I would never side with that me. Lmao

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

You’re damn right I’m going to side with Ty over a handful of dramatic, drunk 22 year olds. Is that even a real question? Ty acknowledged numerous mistakes in his statement. I’ve been a drunk 22 year old at State and I would never side with that me. Lmao

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Fair enough haha

I've been to bars many times and not been drunk though, so probably unfair at the same time to say it was just drunks

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

No I don’t. My bil and his gf sent a pic of them in a hallway with pillows and blankets during the tornado scare. A girl that works for me was up with the weekend and did the same thing in their friend’s apartment. It’s called having a thinking brain and discernment. You want to boycott a great business man in Starkville because a small portion of drunk students went out during a tornado warning. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

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Look, I like you, but you're full of shit on this one. Nobody is mad that they didn't keep serving through the tornado warning. They are mad that after the tornado was on the ground, they were kicked out with no direction other than to leave. In reality, letting them stay with all the windows there might not have been a good idea, but it would have been better than kicking them out with no options or directions.

And I'm not wanting the guy out of business or anything. They handled it in probably the worst possible way, but it seems like a pretty easy enough mistake to not have a plan for that, and luckily nobody got hurt and it's an easy enough to fix for next time. They're never going to have a great option for bad weather b/c of their setup, but if they can at least direct people to shelter when they close up, people can make their own choices as to whether to go there or not when weather is bad and know that if it gets bad, they are going to be hoofing it across the street to a semi-protected parking garage.

But I think he should have outright apologized for their failure, both because he owed an apology for how poorly his staff acted and as a practical matter of defusing the situation. And people going around and acting like the kids just wanted to keep drinking are doing him a disservice; that's just going to keep people pissed at him and make it harder for him.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Look, I like you, but you're full of shit on this one. Nobody is mad that they didn't keep serving through the tornado warning. They are mad that after the tornado was on the ground, they were kicked out with no direction other than to leave. In reality, letting them stay with all the windows there might not have been a good idea, but it would have been better than kicking them out with no options or directions.

And I'm not wanting the guy out of business or anything. They handled it in probably the worst possible way, but it seems like a pretty easy enough mistake to not have a plan for that, and luckily nobody got hurt and it's an easy enough to fix for next time. They're never going to have a great option for bad weather b/c of their setup, but if they can at least direct people to shelter when they close up, people can make their own choices as to whether to go there or not when weather is bad and know that if it gets bad, they are going to be hoofing it across the street to a semi-protected parking garage.

But I think he should have outright apologized for their failure, both because he owed an apology for how poorly his staff acted and as a practical matter of defusing the situation. And people going around and acting like the kids just wanted to keep drinking are doing him a disservice; that's just going to keep people pissed at him and make it harder for him.

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I had a firsthand convo with someone there yesterday. He evacuated to the garage. He didn’t make it sound as crazy as it’s made out to be but he’s not the type to stay and fight with an establishment or the police.

There are a few things here. One is that it was SBW. If this is a random weekend in the spring this doesn’t happen. Because it was SBW, people went out regardless of weather. SBW is one of the biggest weekends for food/beverage and nobody is closing down as a precaution on SBW. Personally, I’m 100% personal responsibility. If you go out on a night with potentially dangerous weather you cannot blame anyone else for you being in a dangerous situation. The buck stops with you, period. Now I’m not absolving The Bin for how it actually went down. They’ll never encounter this situation again but if they did they’d do better next time. It’s like blaming the bar for getting a DUI.