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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
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At Ole Miss they just call this a Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
And that's why their Athletic Dept is a heaping pile of shit. I prefer our method any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Is there not a more balanced approach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
It's crazy to me that nick apparently cheated and got caught, yet we're mad at admins, not nick.
right???Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If a regular student cheats they are expelled (and good luck getting into another accredited college or university). End of story.
I'm mad at Nick. Selfish move, bye Nick. He was good and we needed him, but he didn't have quite the impact I expected from a 5 star guard that North Carolina wanted. He's not irreplaceable. Still hate to lose him, but it's his own damn fault, so bye bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That’s not always the case..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
When will an announcement be made by the school? Not what he did but simply he's no longer part of the program. If this is a done deal, why not issue a press release?
And we are operating in a vacuum too - we know nothing other than rumors and "sources". Was it a first offense? Was it this semester or last semester? If it was an auto F, did that make him academically ineligible because the rest of his grades were not up to snuff, etc. etc. We have to assume it was serious enough that the generous leeway given to athletes (and believe me, they get it) couldn't overcome the situation without negatively impacting the team as a whole. Many people casting stones on here would be pissed if we did nothing, then found out we had to forfeit the season and post season play for playing an ineligible player.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You have to believe that if he was expelled, then any other student who did something similar would also be expelled. It's not like the school is going to be more harsh on a big-time athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Found this on University’s Honor Code-
Handling a Case
The Student Honor Code designates the Student Honor Code Council as the administrative coordination point for handling all cases of academic misconduct. The faculty member has the option of handling the case individually or to refer the case to the Student Honor Code Office. When a faculty member chooses to handle the case individually, this is the process:
A faculty member may handle cases directly in the following situations:
It is a first time offense.
It is not anticipated to require an outcome greater than an XF..
The student does not request referral to the Student Honor Code Council.
A faculty member may refer the case to the Student Honor Code Council at any point in the process.
The accused student may appeal the faculty member's decision to the Student Honor Code Council
Faculty Reporting Process
Step 1
Upon learning of alleged academic misconduct, the faculty member shall contact the Student Honor Code Office to report the incident, begin a case file, and obtain background information on the accused student, if any. If the student has a previous record, the case is required to be referred to the Student Honor Code Council for further handling.
Step 2
If there is no previous record and the faculty member decides to handle the case individually, the faculty member will then meet with the accused student. In this meeting, the faculty member shall inform the student of the allegation and give the student the opportunity to be heard.
Step 3
After meeting with the accused student the faculty member will determine if academic misconduct has occurred. If no misconduct is found the case is dropped, no action against the student is taken, and the decision is reported to the Student Honor Code Office. If the faculty member determines that there has been academic misconduct, the faculty member determines the severity of the violation and assesses a sanction in accordance with Student Honor Code policies. The faculty member completes and submits the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form (pp. 16-17) to the Student Honor Code Office.
In all cases, if the faculty member determines the violation deserves a greater penalty than an XF, the case must be referred to the Student Honor Code Office for adjudication.
Step 4
The faculty member then meets with the student to notify him/her of the decision, the sanction, and of the adjudication and appeal process. Each student is required to check one of the student response options on the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form and sign the form.
Step 5
If the student accepts responsibility for the academic misconduct and accepts the sanction assigned by the faculty member, the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form is sent to the Student Honor Code Director within five (5) University business days where it is included in the case file and the case is completed.
If the student indicates on the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form that they do not agree with the sanction or deny the misconduct occurred, the faculty member submits the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form and all applicable documentation to the Student Honor Code Director within five (5) University business days. This submission begins the process by which the Student Honor Code Office adjudicates the case (see section on the Student Honor Code Council Process).
Note: In the event that the student’s case is not resolved before the end of the semester, submit the notation “GDP” as their final grade.
The Student Honor Code Director may extend deadlines for extenuating circumstances.
Student Honor Code Staff- If the case is referred to the Student Honor Code Office, the faculty member completes the Student Honor Code Violation Report Form (pp. 16-17) and sends it (along with supporting information) to the Student Honor Code Office for further consideration within five (5) university business days of learning of the alleged incident. The Student Honor Code Director may extend deadlines for extenuating circumstances.
Violation Report Form
Student Honor Code Council- When a student does not accept responsibility for violating the student honor code, disagrees with the recommended sanction of the course instructor, or has a prior violation of the Mississippi State University Student Honor Code; the case is entered in the Student Honor Code Council hearing process. The Student Honor Code Office staff will work with the reporting faculty member and student to identify a convenient time to conduct the hearing. Hearing panels are composed of three faculty members, two student members, and one non-voting chair. The panel will make the determination if a student is responsible for violating the Student Honor Code, if the student is found responsible, the council will also decide on an appropriate sanction.
I wouldn't think he'd still be allowed to be on the bench if he was expelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
That's what I'm saying. The university needs to address it. That doesn't mean they need to provide details but at some point the rumor outpaces the facts and once that happens it's hard to curtail.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
If it's a 'no brainer' .. how / why is he still practicing with the team, traveling and sitting on the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
They may not have come to a resolution on it at that point. We'll see if he's there tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The reason I don't agree with permanent expulsion is I don't believe that penalty is common knowledge to students. It might be for older adults but I don't think students view cheating as seriously an offense as say sexual assault or selling drugs yet all three get you expelled.
I don't think he made the trips to Knoxville or Auburn, and don't think he was on the bench when we played A&M in Starkville. I could, of course, be misremembering.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It doesn't matter how the student views it; it's how the controlling institution views it. Yes, student views are probably more lax these days but just because students don't think it's a big deal doesn't make it any more ethically acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Stans' kids were on the bench and they were never members of the team. **
Ncaa rule prevents a suspended player from traveling, FYI.