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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm sorry, were you a big time football player?

Again, I respect your kindness but that won't help us win big.

My perspective is from wanting to win big. I just laugh at how you guys complain about the coaches for the most ridiculous things but then play the "good guy" card in recruiting.

It's completely backwards and gets us nowhere.

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Alabama and Auburn recruit out of state and win big. The best player in Alabama is committed to Georgia. It happens. Better opportunities, better relationships, family ties, etc. And I think the problem here is that you think it's different just because I wasn't a big time football player. As a teacher, I have had numerous students go to MSU because of my influence. Good, solid students that add to the whole of MSU. So while I may not put butts in seats, my decision to go to MSU from living in Alabama has put butts in classrooms across campus.

I was nice on my first post. Now I'll be a little more blunt. It's a bad take and you are making our program look bad. Denegrating kids is the kind of crap OM fans do. Kids go out of state and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Making a kid feel bad for leaving the state is a really terrible take and could make others leave because you are basically telling them they don't get to choose or have a choice. Wrong way to approach this generation of kids.

So the guys we pimp the most here and their home state...

Dak LA
Sweat GA
McPhee FL
Autry NC
Smith GA
Slay GA

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If we ever are gonna win anything of substance in this conference, we'll need OOS players. Blasting kids for going out of state is dumb bc we need kids from other states. Why aren't you blasting ani and shrader?

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The difference shotgun is trying to make, is that those other states have 100 kids versus MS only having 15. Those kids could leave the state and still leave plenty of grade A talent for the instate schools. Texas has 30 times our population. So based on averages, they would have somehting like 450 kids equal to on average to our average 15 D1 prospects. Those states can afford to lose some, MS schools cannot.

We could win the SEC and the National Championship with just the talent in MS and a few from neighboring states. Shotgun, although brash, is making a great point here. Our players in this state should take pride in MSU and UM. Other than very specific instances, other programs should be 3rd place by default.

And we could have pimped other guys like CJ Johnson, Singletary, and Kevin Norwood, but nope. CJ and Singletary ruined his career by going to UM. Norwood went out of state. Lashley went out of state and is still sitting on the bench behind better talent that is younger than him. Going out of state to Alabama and GA is a gigantic risk, cause next year they could get a player that would start ahead of you, or you will never get to overtake the upper classmen. At MSU, Lashley would already be starting.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

And we could have pimped other guys like CJ Johnson, Singletary, and Kevin Norwood, but nope. CJ and Singletary ruined his career by going to UM. Norwood went out of state. Lashley went out of state and is still sitting on the bench behind better talent that is younger than him. Going out of state to Alabama and GA is a gigantic risk, cause next year they could get a player that would start ahead of you, or you will never get to overtake the upper classmen. At MSU, Lashley would already be starting.

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Norwood is the nfl.

What if dak chose LSU? Would he be the cowboys QB right now? I'm not so sure... some kids fit in better at other programs

I just think a public shaming of kids is a bad idea. Blasting young seems like a dumb way to try and flip him.

Mack brown, "Hey Garrett, look at miss state calling kids leaving state shameful and embarrassing."

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So the guys we pimp the most here and their home state...

Dak LA
Sweat GA
McPhee FL
Autry NC
Smith GA
Slay GA

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All JUCOs but Dak who was a late offer guy.

Do you really think Dak chooses MSU over LSU if he has an early offer from LSU?

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

The difference shotgun is trying to make, is that those other states have 100 kids versus MS only having 15. Those kids could leave the state and still leave plenty of grade A talent for the instate schools. Texas has 30 times our population. So based on averages, they would have somehting like 450 kids equal to on average to our average 15 D1 prospects. Those states can afford to lose some, MS schools cannot.

We could win the SEC and the National Championship with just the talent in MS and a few from neighboring states. Shotgun, although brash, is making a great point here. Our players in this state should take pride in MSU and UM. Other than very specific instances, other programs should be 3rd place by default.

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Thank you. You get it.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I just think a public shaming of kids is a bad idea. Blasting young seems like a dumb way to try and flip him.

Mack brown, "Hey Garrett, look at miss state calling kids leaving state shameful and embarrassing."

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I disagree. These kids need to know how their decisions are perceived.

Secondly, the biggest issue is that those around the players didn't show more respect and build up the instate schools earlier in these kids lives.

The truth is there was enough instate talent in the class to put together national title contender and the instate kids had no interest in doing that for their state. That's an issue that needs to be addressed IMO.

Again, it appears your goal is to be a good guy rather than win. Making instate kids understand that their decision is not good for their state is not a sin. There is nothing sinful about that.

In order to win big, instate kids must stay home.

Like it or not, bama is appealing to miss kids. Every year these kids were in HS, bama has been in the playoffs with 2 natties. Those same 4 years, Bama has had 36 players drafted with 18 of those in the first 2 rounds. In the same period, we've had 13 with 3 of those in the first 2 rounds. I realize the chicken-egg deal, but I can see the kids seeing bama as the safest path to get to the nfl

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Thank you. You get it.

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Gun we get what you are saying. It's really not as enlightening as you think. But just saying it doesn't make a 17. You act like certain fans are to blame but realistically you don't know what it takes to fix it either. Then accuse other fans of blaming play calling, etc. being the problem? Little hypocritical don't you think?

Until we prove ourselves they will go for greener pastures.

And don't tell me the grass is always greener on the other side. Yes, the grass is greener at the likes of Bama and UGA... you know, playing for championships and all. I have a high standard but I'm not so thick I can't see how it would be fun to be a part of a team that consistently packs their bags for the post season. You realize talent often develops from being surrounded by...wouldn't you know, more talent? If you want to point to Lashley at Bama as an example, maybe he doesn't have the drive or persistence to compete with the legit players. Doubtful he would make it in the NFL even if he was playing for us if that is the case.

Seasons like MSU's this year are a prime example of why they don't stay in state. See 2014 season also. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Same ole season as ever. Until we actually take the next step (consistently) and change the kids perspective of what we actually do have (no fans here are doubting what we are capable of), they will continue to look at the stars and dream and see themselves there. I guess be upset with the teams we have fielded and choked with rather than the players who aren't even ours yet. Our pedigree isn't as lustrous no matter how many ways you try to say it is. Unfortunately, and I hate it just as much as you, those teams listed can always one up MSU with something else. Putting players in the NFL just doesn't cut it. Until you can finish an entire season and not have one game where you think "typical Mississippi State" at the end. I doubt that perspective will change.

Hell yeah, putting DL's and LB's in the league helps but we don't even sniff what Bama and UGA or LSU or AU even accomplishes there. So what, we've put some legit players in since 2014? Ha...ok. That should just be expected honestly. That's a good start but not even a drop in the bucket. Also, almost every one of those guys were beasts from the get go and would likely be in the exact same situation they are in now if they had gone to a blue blood.

Quit acting like you have some solution or it's easy to convince some 18 y.o. kid with big dreams (I didn't say always realistic dreams) to make the decision that you want him or her to make. Even if that is what is truly best for them. It's just not the way free will works.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

The difference shotgun is trying to make, is that those other states have 100 kids versus MS only having 15. Those kids could leave the state and still leave plenty of grade A talent for the instate schools. Texas has 30 times our population. So based on averages, they would have somehting like 450 kids equal to on average to our average 15 D1 prospects. Those states can afford to lose some, MS schools cannot.

We could win the SEC and the National Championship with just the talent in MS and a few from neighboring states. Shotgun, although brash, is making a great point here. Our players in this state should take pride in MSU and UM. Other than very specific instances, other programs should be 3rd place by default.

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Why? I still don't think anyone has said why they should inherently have more pride? You are basically saying to these kids "You don't have a choice. You should like us better just because". Do you not see how that turns kids off?

Mississippi isn't some special exception guys. It shouldn't operate by rules the other 49 states don't. Oh well it's Hawai'i, so we can't afford to lose these kids because we don't produce as many, so they should stay. Oh it's Wyoming and we are trying to build something here and we could win the Mountain West every year if every good Wyoming kid stayed. Kids leave, they make their own choices. That's what makes this life unique. I can get the sentiment, but in reality it's not very practical to brow beat kids for leaving the state.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I want em to stay home too, but not sure why it's shameful and ignorant. Looks like most the damage will be done by bama and Georgia. Those 2 schools produce tons of nfl players.

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Well getting back to the game. Dang I turned it off or rather to another channel after that 3rd down play with 4 minutes to go. When the Chiefs player got called for holding I told a guy at the gym that the Bolts would come back to win.

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Originally Posted by Percho

Jeez, and all their talent is out of bama and jawga.

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Alabama's draft picks the last 4 years come from the following states: AL, AR, CO, FL, GA, LA, MS, MY, NC, NJ, OH, PA, TX, and VA

After careful thought, I've reconsidered... we should even take the public shaming up a notch. Anyone going to Mardi Gras in NOLA should be publically shamed when the miss gulf coast also has parades. Anyone going to Vegas should be publically shamed when Mississippi has casinos. Anyone going to gatlinburg should be publically shamed when we have Woodall mountain in tishomingo county.

No, I'm not serious haha

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Alabama's draft picks the last 4 years come from the following states: AL, AR, CO, FL, GA, LA, MS, MY, NC, NJ, OH, PA, TX, and VA

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Wait what is MY?

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Wait what is MY?

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Haha... see this is why you should go out of state... Maryland (MD)

How do you get kids to stay in-state? Better coaches.

Coaching has way more to do with it than anything we can do as fans.

Please explain how us getting upset will force these kids to stay in-state?

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Originally Posted by smootness

How do you get kids to stay in-state? Better coaches.

Coaching has way more to do with it than anything we can do as fans.

Please explain how us getting upset will force these kids to stay in-state?

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He can't. Just wants to pretend like his opinion on the matter is final and factual. And everyone else is wrong.