Super Interesting Twitter Thread On Our Offense

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11-14-2018, 06:24 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Because we had offensive players out as well during the year

Who? Rankin for four games? Two of those starts were against UMass and BYU.
11-14-2018, 06:32 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I personally think LSU made Joe scrap that offensive approach. We ran 60% of the time against but LSU finally forced us to attempt to pass and Fitz was horrific. We then decided to go back to his original offense and beat A&M and La Tech. Those games are the best the offense has looked and it looked like Fitz was finally understanding the offense.

Then Bama. I think all the media picking LSU to upset them just lit a damn fuse. Bama seemed to take it personal and I will be surprised if their defense isn't wrecking everyone the rest of the season.

Aranda's defense schemed Fitz into making him think he needed to keep the ball.
11-14-2018, 06:38 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

350 rushing yards is great. Wish we had stuck with using our RBs. Kylin had 23 carries vs auburn for 126 yards (5.48 per). Since then in 3 games, he has 20 carries for 109 yds (5.45 per). It worked vs a good sec defense, but we scrapped it... guess that's on fitz

That running back motion offense was designed specifically for the Auburn game , and it surprised them , and their coaches could not adjust. Well it wouldn't be a surprise to LSU. However, LSU intentionally schemed their defense where Fitz would read the defense and think he should keep the ball. Aranda wanted the ball in Fitz's hands on runs.
11-14-2018, 06:41 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

That running back motion offense was designed specifically for the Auburn game , and it surprised them , and their coaches could not adjust. Well it wouldn't be a surprise to LSU. However, LSU intentionally schemed their defense whee Fitz would read the defense and think he should keep the ball. Aranda wanted the ball in Fitz's hands.

So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands
11-14-2018, 06:44 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands

His defense dictated to Fitz to keep the ball. JOeMo wasn't on the field at quarterback. LOL You must live on this board. I made a typo on the other post, and before I had time to edit it, you had already responded.
11-14-2018, 06:45 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Three times better? Point totals? What kind of red herring is that?

If anything we've performed better against lesser defenses than Dan did last year. How quickly we forget UMass, Arkansas, and Ole Miss last year.

Well we averaged 12 points per game vs Bama, Au, and GA last season and 3.3 this season vs KY, LSU, Bama. The top 3 defenses we faced last year vs top 3 this season. I actually under stated purposely, but your right. We are definitely in the red this season.
11-14-2018, 06:51 PM
Liverpooldawg

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.
11-14-2018, 06:59 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Who? Rankin for four games? Two of those starts were against UMass and BYU.

Rankin was hurt vs AU. Gray missed Bama, Dear missed the season (one of our top returning receivers), Mixon missed time but I don’t think those games or partially those games. Players were out on our defense as well. Teams have injuries and Bama’s replacement players are not exactly scrubs. Didn’t 1 or 2 of those LB’s play through the playoffs?
11-14-2018, 07:00 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

His defense dictated to Fitz to keep the ball. JOeMo wasn't on the field at quarterback. LOL You must live on this board. I made a typo on the other post, and before I had time to edit it, you had already responded.

What was there to read? 10-14 runs were designed QB power runs.
11-14-2018, 07:08 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands

That's what happens when your QB can't throw.
11-14-2018, 07:10 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

What was there to read? 10-14 runs were designed QB power runs.

I agree. I didn't like those calls either. When that was the designed play, LSU didn't need to scheme, because they had the player running the ball for us that they wanted to run it. They were not going to let our running backs win the game. So those designed plays just fit right in with their defensive plan.
11-14-2018, 07:11 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's what happens when your QB can't throw.

Yep
11-14-2018, 07:12 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Rankin was hurt vs AU. Gray missed Bama, Dear missed the season (one of our top returning receivers), Mixon missed time but I don’t think those games or partially those games. Players were out on our defense as well. Teams have injuries and Bama’s replacement players are not exactly scrubs. Didn’t 1 or 2 of those LB’s play through the playoffs?

So mostly the wide receivers for a short stretch here and there? That's relatively healthy. I'd say losing those linebackers hurt them not only in our game- but also against Auburn and Georgia as well.
11-14-2018, 07:15 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.

This post is so accurate and makes so much sense, that a few people, on here, just won't be able to comprehend or agree to it, because it apparently doesn't mesh with their agendas.
11-14-2018, 07:17 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.

Pretty much. I'm probably most disappointed in Fitz because he is a fifth year senior and IMO should be able to make decisions more quickly than he has at this point. But it is what it is.

I think some fans are upset because they think that this year is going to be our only chance to be special in their lifetime. I don't see it that way- I see us getting better recruits at QB, WR, and potentially OL while at the same time we are still recruiting defensively at a high level. We just have to match up both the offense and the defense at the same time during the same season to be special. And the offense just hasn't matched up with the defense this year.
11-14-2018, 07:23 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

I agree. I didn't like those calls either. When that was the designed play, LSU didn't need to scheme, because they had the player running the ball for us that they wanted to run it. They were not going to let our running backs win the game. So those designed plays just fit right in with their defensive plan.

I agree.
11-14-2018, 07:27 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well we averaged 12 points per game vs Bama, Au, and GA last season and 3.3 this season vs KY, LSU, Bama. The top 3 defenses we faced last year vs top 3 this season. I actually under stated purposely, but your right. We are definitely in the red this season.

And Bama was at home and was the most points scored against them with a QB that had been in the system for 4 years, AU - 10 point road game, GA 3 point road game. This year are ALL ROAD GAMES. KY - 7 points, LSU - 3 points and Bama - 7 points because the ref 17ed us doesn't mean Joe's offense didn't score it.

Looks like the biggest difference is one of those games are at HOME. Just from previous statistical records, you would assume with Dan Mullen that the results from road games vs top level defenses would be roughly the same unless Fitz is a Rookie NFL Starting QB.

We somehow now believe that one Bama game has changed 10 years of consistent results.
11-14-2018, 07:31 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So mostly the wide receivers for a short stretch here and there? That's relatively healthy. I'd say losing those linebackers hurt them not only in our game- but also against Auburn and Georgia as well.

Against Bama we didn’t have our top 2 receivers. I think that is a factor

Eh...I just think Auburn and Georgia were really good. And it was the offense that let them down against Auburn more so than defense. They also held Clemson to 6 points, they were not scuba running out there. They are starters this year
11-14-2018, 07:35 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

And Bama was at home and was the most points scored against them with a QB that had been in the system for 4 years, AU - 10 point road game, GA 3 point road game. This year are ALL ROAD GAMES. KY - 7 points, LSU - 3 points and Bama - 7 points because the ref 17ed us doesn't mean Joe's offense didn't score it.

Looks like the biggest difference is one of those games are at HOME. Just from previous statistical records, you would assume with Dan Mullen that the results from road games vs top level defenses would be roughly the same unless Fitz is a Rookie NFL Starting QB.

We somehow now believe that one Bama game has changed 10 years of consistent results.

Well for 10 years we have multiple home and away combinations vs SEC and ranked teams. And it’s never been this low, dissect it how ever you want, you have to go all the back to 2005 to get close to these numbers and that was still better. The absolutely biggest positive is that we have been ok to very good against weak teams. But against strong teams, no matter how good or bad we have been in the past, including last season, this year is the worst.
11-14-2018, 07:42 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Moorhead said post game there were plays where Nick should have handed off but kept it. That's on Nick.

Record building? And seeking the overall rushing record, even of running backs?

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