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10-21-2018, 05:46 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

What the hell are you supposed to do with a QB that can't read defenses and keeps throwing the ball to the other team? I mean, putting the running back in motion and handing off to them is only going to band aid so much. I highly suspect that a big reason why the running backs aren't getting the ball is because Nick is probably keeping it some when he should hand it off. Whether that's because Nick can't read defenses or is being selfish or a combination of the two- I don't know.

And yes, I do think that putting in KT could have helped and may or may not be the answer. But I don't think it's that totally cut and dried either because you're talking about replacing a guy that is the SEC's all time rushing leader who was also considered a Heisman darkhorse and had we benched him earlier and Nick gotten the record that could have looked really bad for us.

But from what I am seeing in the stands:

1. We can't pass the ball.

2. We CAN run the ball. We lead the SEC in rushing and are a respectable sixth in SEC only games. So, that's clearly working despite coaching, Nick, lack of adjustments, and etc.

3. The o-line looks OK. Stats may or may not prove me wrong but other than UK and maybe UF they have been fine or at least not noticeably bad. We're OK at allowing sacks- 7th in the SEC and tied for fewest TFL's allowed. While at the same time leading the SEC in rushing without a QB that can throw the ball. Meaning they're blocking 8 on 5 a lot of the time and appear to be doing OK with it.

4. Defense is outstanding. Shoop looks like a good hire and maybe an upgrade over Grantham.

5. Special teams is OK outside of maybe punting.

6. Moorhead has significantly adjusted his play calling to be more run heavy since the Florida game like everyone wanted. I'm not sure what else he can really do outside of running more plays with the RB in motion to make people happy there. The penalties have gotten cleaned up for the most part since UK.

So in conclusion just about everything that Joe is doing right now is going at an acceptable rate outside of the passing game. Nick is KILLING us. And maybe Moorhead's career at MSU with it. He has talent but he doesn't have "it"- like Dak. Not everyone has "it" but Nick is also devoid of it.

It should not have taken 2 complete games vs Kentucky and Florida to adjust. You can’t just sweep all that under the rug and say, well he adjusted. After 2 games. And no adjustments in either 2nd half’s.

I don’t disagree that a complete one deminsional performance like vs Auburn was not sustainable. But the QB was serviceable throwing the last 2 years running a passing system that was just as complicated and required reading defenses as well. And it’s not like we were not already running some RPO concepts prior to Moorehead. Honestly probably confidence and lack of understanding of this offense is an issue with Fitz I’m sure. But not to this extent. And some of the play calls really don’t make sense with what defenses were showing. Heck how many times (and Luginbill mentioned this last night) but LSU wasn’t stacking the box all night to control our running game. There were a bunch of sets with only 5 in the box. Sorry but the play calling is an issue and second half adjustments are piss poor.

And if you as a coach honestly believe it’s the QB, then you do what Bama and Clemson did this year. You change to who you believe will win in your system. KT still on the bench. So either KT is not ready and the coach knows it (not to mention those ducks he threw against SFA did not look good) no matter how much fans believe he is much better than Fitz. Or it was a terrible coaching decision that cost us a season and may ultimately cost him his job. He has lost a ton of the fan base.
10-21-2018, 06:04 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

It should not have taken 2 complete games vs Kentucky and Florida to adjust. You can’t just sweep all that under the rug and say, well he adjusted. After 2 games. And no adjustments in either 2nd half’s.

I don’t disagree that a complete one deminsional performance like vs Auburn was not sustainable. But the QB was serviceable throwing the last 2 years running a passing system that was just as complicated and required reading defenses as well. And it’s not like we were not already running some RPO concepts prior to Moorehead. Honestly probably confidence and lack of understanding of this offense is an issue with Fitz I’m sure. But not to this extent. And some of the play calls really don’t make sense with what defenses were showing. Heck how many times (and Luginbill mentioned this last night) but LSU wasn’t stacking the box all night to control our running game. There were a bunch of sets with only 5 in the box. Sorry but the play calling is an issue and second half adjustments are piss poor.

And if you as a coach honestly believe it’s the QB, then you do what Bama and Clemson did this year. You change to who you believe will win in your system. KT still on the bench. So either KT is not ready and the coach knows it (not to mention those ducks he threw against SFA did not look good) no matter how much fans believe he is much better than Fitz. Or it was a terrible coaching decision that cost us a season and may ultimately cost him his job. He has lost a ton of the fan base.

So, because a coach has two bad games and then adjusts we're supposed to still bash the guy when he did adjust but it didn't work against LSU because it was so one dimensional that they knew it was coming? The only other adjustment to make is to throw the ball more. And then he gets bashed for "Air Moorhead". The problem is as long as we have a QB that can not read defenses and is a turnover machine we're screwed. Because any other adjustment we make running the ball or throwing screens is going to get adjusted to very quickly in the SEC.

I agree that you do change the QB because you have to try but it's again it's also not that cut and dried when you have a guy that is a Heisman darkhorse as the QB who is the SEC's all-time rushing leader. It's not like pulling Derrick Taite. Before last night the optics would have been pretty bad had we pulled him earlier. Now- not so much.
10-21-2018, 06:13 PM
Bully13

The most retarded waste of talent in the history of college football.
10-21-2018, 06:20 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So, because a coach has two bad games and then adjusts we're supposed to still bash the guy when he did adjust but it didn't work against LSU because it was so one dimensional that they knew it was coming? The only other adjustment to make is to throw the ball more. And then he gets bashed for "Air Moorhead". The problem is as long as we have a QB that can not read defenses and is a turnover machine we're screwed. Because any other adjustment we make running the ball or throwing screens is going to get adjusted to very quickly in the SEC.

I agree that you do change the QB because you have to try but it's again it's also not that cut and dried when you have a guy that is a Heisman darkhorse as the QB who is the SEC's all-time rushing leader. It's not like pulling Derrick Taite. Before last night the optics would have been pretty bad had we pulled him earlier. Now- not so much.

Todd in 3 of 4 games he has not made in game adjustments. It doesn’t have to be just throwing, different way to run the ball, alignment, etc. But we also threw it 6 times the first 4 possessions vs 10 runs. We were not just completely one deminsional last night. About 15% more passing compared to the Auburn game. But the second half non-adjustments is the bad adjustment I’m talking about. It’s abysmal.
10-21-2018, 06:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Todd in 3 of 4 games he has not made in game adjustments. It doesn’t have to be just throwing, different way to run the ball, alignment, etc. But we also threw it 6 times the first 4 possessions vs 10 runs. We were not just completely one deminsional last night. About 15% more passing compared to the Auburn game. But the second half non-adjustments is the bad adjustment I’m talking about. It’s abysmal.

We ran I think 37 times to 24 passes. And 8 of those 24 pass attempts was on our final possession. Do you really think that we should have run the ball down 16 on the road in the fourth quarter with less than 5 minutes left in the game? We could have made some adjustments- but as I said until we can throw the ball somewhat effectively it's only going to help so much. And Nick is probably going to screw up whatever adjustments we do make. The only difference between Auburn and LSU as far as play calling in terms of run pass was that we had to throw it more because we were behind.
10-21-2018, 06:39 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We ran I think 37 times to 24 passes. And 8 of those 24 pass attempts was on our final possession. Do you really think that we should have run the ball down 16 on the road in the fourth quarter with less than 5 minutes left in the game? We could have made some adjustments- but as I said until we can throw the ball somewhat effectively it's only going to help so much. And Nick is probably going to screw up whatever adjustments we do make. The only difference between Auburn and LSU as far as play calling in terms of run pass was that we had to throw it more because we were behind.

Don’t be ridiculous. Of course you throw down 2 scores. That’s not adjustment that a necessity. And we attempted 10 passes the first half and 13 after the first drive in the 3rd when LSU just went ahead 13-3. Still in the game and over half of our passing attempts was at that point in the game.

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