Alright, time for the fanbase to rebound

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Keep saying that until you believe it maybe. It happened despite of your opinion you keep trying to sell as a fact and it's a big L on our season. Maybe you can reference last years score and act like it actually means something now. Or cite how many starters were on a team that beat them last year. Or maybe how we've owned them in the last 50 years. Who cares, quit pointing to the past and look ahead.

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I've watched them play a full game twice and they are nowhere close to as good as Bama. Or UGA. And not as good as LSU, Auburn or probably A&M. Going into this season the expectations where and I quote ''A championship standard'' Im not going to do it because I dont have the time but go back and find the prediction thread for this year and you will see championship expectations.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Kentucky would look like total shit too if their bad passing QB attempted 32 passes in 4 hours of rain. There's didn't. Ours did. The rain melted our offense into nothing functional whatsoever.

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And at the end of the day whos fault its that??? If we're a running team and they are a running team then the rain shouldnt bother either one of us.

Moorhead tried to make us what we arent. He tried (or could be still trying) to fit a square peg in a round hole and it will never work. I know you cannot run into the teeth of a defense if there is a stacked box but you can hit the edges or do a number of things. We decided to continue to make Fitz 5 step drop and get killed over and over but somehow it is his fault. Did he play great? No. Nobody did. But Moorhead was the biggest shit show of the bunch in my book. And he is going to be held accountable for it.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Where would you rank Fitzgerald as far as greatest all-time SEC QBs? He is about to hold the SEC rushing record but would you even put him in the top 50 or top 100 greatest SEC QBs ever? Name me one person on the planet that could magically turn Fitz into a top passing QB in the country in only 4 months since he just recovered from a broken ankle. I am trying really hard not to pile on Fitz here but you're making it very difficult. He was bad vs UK and it wasn't just his passing or lack of running. It was mainly how slowly he was managing the game and how poorly he was reading the defense and making decisions on the play to run based off of those reads.

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Uh, no one? Which is why you don't pass the ball 32 times with him in the rain.

If the RPOs aren't working, or if he's not making the right read, you change course and start calling straight runs from the RB. Nothing says Moorhead must stick with his offense at all costs, not while we're getting hammered.

And that's my point. Either he doesn't know how to adjust...or he's even more stubborn than Mullen.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

And at the end of the day whos fault its that??? If we're a running team and they are a running team then the rain shouldnt bother either one of us.

Moorhead tried to make us what we arent. He tried (or could be still trying) to fit a square peg in a round hole and it will never work. I know you cannot run into the teeth of a defense if there is a stacked box but you can hit the edges or do a number of things. We decided to continue to make Fitz 5 step drop and get killed over and over but somehow it is his fault. Did he play great? No. Nobody did. But Moorhead was the biggest shit show of the bunch in my book. And he is going to be held accountable for it.

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There's nothing we can do about it. We got our asses handed to us and our players and coaches performed very poorly in their first SEC road test this year. Moorhead gets 3 years minimum. I have faith in Moorhead. One ass beatdown in the rain on the road vs Kentucky doesn't change that for me.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Kentucky would look like total shit too if their bad passing QB attempted 32 passes in 4 hours of rain. There's didn't. Ours did. The rain melted our offense into nothing functional whatsoever.

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We had control over that!

Why are you acting as though these were hard rules stipulated before the game that we had to stick to? Nothing dictated we had to do that. They were just decisions we made. Bad ones. That's entirely why I'm so disappointed and pessimistic.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Uh, no one? Which is why you don't pass the ball 32 times with him in the rain.

If the RPOs aren't working, or if he's not making the right read, you change course and start calling straight runs from the RB. Nothing says Moorhead must stick with his offense at all costs, not while we're getting hammered.

And that's my point. Either he doesn't know how to adjust...or he's even more stubborn than Mullen.

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Fitz called 32 passes in the rain not Moorhead. Do I think he should of gotten on Fitz's ass about it? Yup. I have made a bunch of posts specifically about that. Moorhead needs to forget the nice guy routine during games and he needs to direct his offense to the guy showing it to the world.

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Originally Posted by smootness

We had control over that!

Why are you acting as though these were hard rules stipulated before the game that we had to stick to? Nothing dictated we had to do that. They were just decisions we made. Bad ones. That's entirely why I'm so disappointed and pessimistic.

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Moorhead needs to direct his offense not just let the QB do it apparently until the the QB proves he can. Idk maybe it takes making the wrong read 50 times in a game for the QB to learn not to make those same reads again.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Moorhead needs to direct his offense not just let the QB do it apparently until the the QB proves he can. Idk maybe it takes making the wrong read 50 times in a game for the QB to learn not to make those same reads again.

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Then let him make 10 wrong reads a game for 5 games and then don't let him have the reads the rest of those games. Don't go down in flames watching it happen. Not in a season in which we're trying to compete.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Fitz called 32 passes in the rain not Moorhead.

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What are you even talking about?

If that is true, Moorhead should be fired today.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Then let him make 10 wrong reads a game for 5 games and then don't let him have the reads the rest of those games. Don't go down in flames watching it happen. Not in a season in which we're trying to compete.

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Originally Posted by smootness

What are you even talking about?

If that is true, Moorhead should be fired today.

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The way I understand it Fitz has the option at the L.O.S. to pass it or run it based on his read of the defense. Maybe not all 32 passes were his decision but I do think a big portion of them were. Do I wish I could magically make Saban's intensity absorb into Moorhead's body? I do. I'd even settle for half-dead Malzahn at this point. I have made many a post about it this in the last two days. Moorhead has to direct his offense through his QB. He has to take control of the game. Not Fitz. Moorhead. That's gonna require ditching his introvert personality for 4 hours every Saturday. I'm fine with it for 164 hours a week but it's got to go the other 4 hours so idk if he needs to drink a gigantic Starbucks or pound 4 red bulls before game time but he himself needs to come on out of personality hibernation while trying to coach SEC football games. He's not the first introvert to put himself in an extrovert required position. He can do it. Fake it till you make it bud.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

The way I understand it Fitz has the option at the L.O.S. to pass it or run it based on his read of the defense. Maybe not all 32 passes were his decision but I do think a big portion of them were. Do I wish I could magically make Saban's intensity absorb into Moorhead's body? I do. I'd even settle for half-dead Malzahn at this point. I have made many a post about it this in the last two days. Moorhead has to direct his offense through his QB. He has to take control of the game. Not Fitz. Moorhead. That's gonna require ditching his introvert personality for 4 hours every Saturday. I'm fine with it for 164 hours a week but it's got to go the other 4 hours so idk if he needs to drink a gigantic Starbucks or pound 4 red bulls before game time but he himself needs to come on out of personality hibernation while trying to coach SEC football games. He's not the first introvert to put himself in an extrovert required position. He can do it. Fake it till you make it bud.

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I don't understand you. We've been going back and forth on who is at fault, and you kept saying it was Fitz. Then you seemed to agree with me that it's Moorhead. Fitz is what he is, you can't change that in the middle of a season. It's Moorhead's job to put players in a position that gives them the best shot. He did not do that on Saturday. One way or another, he is the one who allowed Fitz to throw that many passes.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Kentucky would look like total shit too if their bad passing QB attempted 32 passes in 4 hours of rain. There's didn't. Ours did. The rain melted our offense into nothing functional whatsoever.

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This is one of the most speculative, "wonder if" scenarios that you are concocting to justify a different problem completely. Really is a terrible excuse and BS reason for the loss. There are a million different ways we got beat. The rain ain't one of them man.

We aren't 17 sugar.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I don't understand you. We've been going back and forth on who is at fault, and you kept saying it was Fitz. Then you seemed to agree with me that it's Moorhead. Fitz is what he is, you can't change that in the middle of a season. It's Moorhead's job to put players in a position that gives them the best shot. He did not do that on Saturday. One way or another, he is the one who allowed Fitz to throw that many passes.

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It's both of them along with the 16 penalties, WRs dropping passes and the piss poor offensive line play. I have said this multiple times and will say it again. I want Moorhead taking charge of the game and his QB. His demeanor on the sidelines was the biggest issue in the game. Our team was spiraling out of control the entire game and he wasn't correcting it.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

This is one of the most speculative, "wonder if" scenarios that you are concocting to justify a different problem completely. Really is a terrible excuse and BS reason for the loss. There are a million different ways we got beat. The rain ain't one of them man.

We aren't 17 sugar.

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Our offense is sugar and we totally melted in the rain. Moorhead and Fitz are two giant bags of sugar.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

And at the end of the day whos fault its that??? If we're a running team and they are a running team then the rain shouldnt bother either one of us.

Moorhead tried to make us what we arent. He tried (or could be still trying) to fit a square peg in a round hole and it will never work. I know you cannot run into the teeth of a defense if there is a stacked box but you can hit the edges or do a number of things. We decided to continue to make Fitz 5 step drop and get killed over and over but somehow it is his fault. Did he play great? No. Nobody did. But Moorhead was the biggest shit show of the bunch in my book. And he is going to be held accountable for it.

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FWIW Fitz is on pace to rush for more TDs this year than last. He is also on pace to only have 12 less carries from last year while playing 1 less half of football and missing a cupcake game this year in which he would have easily rushed for 100 yds.

Most of his throws against KY were inside 20 yds. If we don't have a qb that can complete those fairly regularly in the SEC we are going to lose games against good defenses so it really doesn't matter.

All of yall keep talking about ruining a special season.. That depends on what your definition of special is, if its winning the west we aren't/weren't going to do that if Fitz can't complete some passes downfield so its a mute point regardless.

Would I have liked to see us run the football more against KY, absolutely but around 14 of fitz throws against KY came behind the chains in 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations(needing more than 10yds for a first down)7 passes came right before half time and after we were down 21-7 and 28-7 clearly when we needed to throw the ball. So 21 of his 32 throws came again in passing situations either due to penalty or the situation dictating we throw the football.

So there are really 11 plays that we passed the ball where we could have run the football and Fitz completed 8 of them. So he was 8/11 on plays where we could have/should have realistically run the football.

Go and look at the drive summaries..

As example the first drive:

1st down- Kylin hill rush for one yd (unsportsmanlike penalty 15 yds)
2nd and 18- pass complete for 4 yds
3rd and 14-- incomplete pass

The majority of our possessions went like that. There were maybe 5-10 throws where we were at 1st or 2nd down and under 10 yds.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We played extremely poorly in the rain. We had 201 yards of offense. Kentucky only had 300 yards of offense. It was a very ugly game. We had almost as many penalty yards as we did offense. It was just a total shit show in the rain for us. I keep mentioning the rain for a reason. It melted us. WR's couldn't catch, QB couldn't throw, RB's couldn't run, OL couldn't block and our damn coaches couldn't get a play called in less than 25 seconds.

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I know Mullen practiced outdoor in bad weather at every chance so our players would be used to it and know how to adjust.....I wonder if Moorhead had the chance to do that and just moved indoors or did he do it any? I don't know, but I think practicing in the rain and sloppy conditions would be beneficial for a team.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

There's nothing we can do about it. We got our asses handed to us and our players and coaches performed very poorly in their first SEC road test this year. Moorhead gets 3 years minimum. I have faith in Moorhead. One ass beatdown in the rain on the road vs Kentucky doesn't change that for me.

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It does for me with this team. I remember many a people on this board saying in the preseason that 7-5 6-6 with this team we would know we hired the wrong guy.

If Moorhead and co. are not better than Saturday we will win 3 more games tops

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rain predicted Saturday morning and Sunday AM. If rain is an auto loss, hope it stays clear. Personally, I think our problems Saturday were a little deeper than precipitation

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Absolutely it was. I was just throwing in there about practicing under adverse conditions. I bet you money, Mullen is piping in loud cowbell noise on the Swamp as they practice. Make them learn to communicate plays, etc. better. Both teams have to play in whatever the conditions are.....Kentucky seemed to handle it much better.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Fitz called 32 passes in the rain not Moorhead. Do I think he should of gotten on Fitz's ass about it? Yup. I have made a bunch of posts specifically about that. Moorhead needs to forget the nice guy routine during games and he needs to direct his offense to the guy showing it to the world.

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How do you know Fitz was calling those passes? You dont and I dont either. But I do know he did it either way and either way is stupid. If our offense is that complicated then Moorhead needs to change it and make it simpler.

There is no version of offense for this team where we should throw it that much. If we do we will lose.

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Originally Posted by BB30

FWIW Fitz is on pace to rush for more TDs this year than last. He is also on pace to only have 12 less carries from last year while playing 1 less half of football and missing a cupcake game this year in which he would have easily rushed for 100 yds.

Most of his throws against KY were inside 20 yds. If we don't have a qb that can complete those fairly regularly in the SEC we are going to lose games against good defenses so it really doesn't matter.

All of yall keep talking about ruining a special season.. That depends on what your definition of special is, if its winning the west we aren't/weren't going to do that if Fitz can't complete some passes downfield so its a mute point regardless.

Would I have liked to see us run the football more against KY, absolutely but around 14 of fitz throws against KY came behind the chains in 2nd and long and 3rd and long situations(needing more than 10yds for a first down)7 passes came right before half time and after we were down 21-7 and 28-7 clearly when we needed to throw the ball. So 21 of his 32 throws came again in passing situations either due to penalty or the situation dictating we throw the football.

So there are really 11 plays that we passed the ball where we could have run the football and Fitz completed 8 of them. So he was 8/11 on plays where we could have/should have realistically run the football.

Go and look at the drive summaries..

As example the first drive:

1st down- Kylin hill rush for one yd (unsportsmanlike penalty 15 yds)
2nd and 18- pass complete for 4 yds
3rd and 14-- incomplete pass

The majority of our possessions went like that. There were maybe 5-10 throws where we were at 1st or 2nd down and under 10 yds.

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You are looking too hard at it. We lost because of all the reasons stated. All of those reasons fall on Moorhead and his staff.

This team is too good to look like that. I just think its funny now that we can make excuses for him but every single one of yall thought we would win the game before the season and during the week.

We should have won and we were the better team. Moorhead had a better team and lost by 3 TDs. That is not going to work. He gets another chance to prove he is capable saturday. If he fails again then we have problems. Simple as that