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06-10-2018, 11:52 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Every win = thank you, Gautreau
Every loss = thank you, Henderson

It really is crazy

+1 And for me to give you a rep for stating the truth is amazing! LOL
06-10-2018, 11:55 AM
Leroy Jenkins

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I haven't watched a whole game in the whole tourny.

That explains it. Your presupposition is that the ends are a result of the means. We have overcome Gary so far, not succeed because of him. Carry on.
06-10-2018, 12:07 PM
Dawg61

Y'all can blame Henderson but his disposition and personality are a big reason for this team rising up and getting to where they are right now. It's not an ideal system for long term but I do believe Henderson kinda sitting back thus empowering players like Mangum,MacNamee and Self to take this team by the horns and lead them is why we are still playing baseball. It's no secret Henderson immediately went to Mangum and basically told him he needs him to lead the team. This redirection of leadership has helped the team thrive. It's a one year plan but it's exactly the one year plan we needed to survive this season. Henderson gets a ton of credit for where we are right now. Y'all just don't want to give it to him which is crappy imo. Henderson was the perfect guy to get us out of the deep shithole Cann put us in after 3 games. That doesn't mean I want him to be HC after this year as I don't but I am very thankful we had him to coach this year's team.
06-10-2018, 12:15 PM
basedog

If folks aren't enjoying this season well they just can't be helped especially if we pull it out today.

That game last night was what college baseball is all about, I know after reading ED many aren't happy, good thing about baseball right now, we got another day to get it done! This team ain't gonna quit that's for sure!

That's Baseball!
06-10-2018, 12:16 PM
WeWonItAll(Most)

If Henderson brought Self in to start the 8th and we lost y'all would have bitched about how he tried to stretch Self too far after throwing a decent amount of pitches in game 1.

Also with regards to the OP: if we somehow won the title this year, Henderson would have more national titles in one year at State than Schloss, McDonnell and Tadlock in about 35 combined years at their respective schools.
06-10-2018, 12:25 PM
Bdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawg61

Y'all can blame Henderson but his disposition and personality are a big reason for this team rising up and getting to where they are right now. It's not an ideal system for long term but I do believe Henderson kinda sitting back thus empowering players like Mangum,MacNamee and Self to take this team by the horns and lead them is why we are still playing baseball. It's no secret Henderson immediately went to Mangum and basically told him he needs him to lead the team. This redirection of leadership has helped the team thrive. It's a one year plan but it's exactly the one year plan we needed to survive this season. Henderson gets a ton of credit for where we are right now. Y'all just don't want to give it to him which is crappy imo. Henderson was the perfect guy to get us out of the deep shithole Cann put us in after 3 games. That doesn't mean I want him to be HC after this year as I don't but I am very thankful we had him to coach this year's team.

I think most of us feel this way. I am grateful for having him on staff to calm the waters of Cann. I think his personality fit well in this situation. But his demeanor has nothing to do with his in game decisions and how some of us feel about his future with our program. Based on what I've seen, I want no part of Henderson in our future. A fired KY coach turned interim at MSU, who also makes bad in game decisions, is the not what this program needs next year and beyond. And it sure as heck doesn't sound like what Cohen is going after. But eventhough I don't want Henderson here next, it doesn't mean I'm not grateful for how he got us through the Cann situation.
06-10-2018, 12:32 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

If Henderson brought Self in to start the 8th and we lost y'all would have bitched about how he tried to stretch Self too far after throwing a decent amount of pitches in game 1.

Also with regards to the OP: if we somehow won the title this year, Henderson would have more national titles in one year at State than Schloss, McDonnell and Tadlock in about 35 combined years at their respective schools.

Your wrong about Self. He was our best opportunity to win the game and the series at that moment. I would have thought Henderson was going for the win and would have praised him. Hopefully we get it done today
06-10-2018, 12:34 PM
Percho

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

If folks aren't enjoying this season well they just can't be helped especially if we pull it out today.

That game last night was what college baseball is all about, I know after reading ED many aren't happy, good thing about baseball right now, we got another day to get it done! This team ain't gonna quit that's for sure!

That's Baseball!

Amen.

opportunity, knocks!
06-10-2018, 12:35 PM
Leroy Jenkins

I dont understand why people cant divorce the two issues of us winning and Henderson coaching. The correlation does not equal causation.

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or

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or

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Imagine what we could be with a competent coach.
06-10-2018, 12:38 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

If Henderson brought Self in to start the 8th and we lost y'all would have bitched about how he tried to stretch Self too far after throwing a decent amount of pitches in game 1.

Also with regards to the OP: if we somehow won the title this year, Henderson would have more national titles in one year at State than Schloss, McDonnell and Tadlock in about 35 combined years at their respective schools.

No, I don't believe that for one second. Had we brought in Self for 2 innings to close out the most important game of the year and it didn't work out then it just wasn't meant to be. Nobody would complain about that. On the other hand, to extend Neff not only into the 8th but also the 9th was a huge risk that backfired. Heck, the last time Neff even pitched was back in the 20-10 meltdown and he only went 1.1 innings there with poor results. We just better hope that saving Self for today actually means something. If Vandy jumps all over Billingsley and gets out to a big lead it likely won't mean crap.
06-10-2018, 12:40 PM
Bdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by basedog

If folks aren't enjoying this season well they just can't be helped especially if we pull it out today.

That game last night was what college baseball is all about, I know after reading ED many aren't happy, good thing about baseball right now, we got another day to get it done! This team ain't gonna quit that's for sure!

That's Baseball!

Oh I'm definately enjoying it! It's been a wild ride. I can separate the coach talk and what we are accomplishing as a team. Your right, no quit in this team!!! Go dawgs
06-10-2018, 12:55 PM
MarketingBully

It goes like this. When he feels like he?s coaching for the season, he makes the reasonable bullpen decisions or what a normal coach would make. When he feels like he has more room for error, he makes dumb ass perplexing decisions ie the LSU game in the SEC tournament, the first Oklahoma game, and the game last night. I have no doubt that since he?s coaching for the season tonight that he will make the right moves tonight.
06-10-2018, 01:02 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

That explains it. Your presupposition is that the ends are a result of the means. We have overcome Gary so far, not succeed because of him. Carry on.

The results and the improvement since the start of the season speak for themselves. It IS about results you know.
06-10-2018, 01:06 PM
Dawg61

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarketingBully

It goes like this. When he feels like he?s coaching for the season, he makes the reasonable bullpen decisions or what a normal coach would make. When he feels like he has more room for error, he makes dumb ass perplexing decisions ie the LSU game in the SEC tournament, the first Oklahoma game, and the game last night. I have no doubt that since he?s coaching for the season tonight that he will make the right moves tonight.

It shouldn't be a secret we wanted no part of playing long into the SECT weekend. Look where Ole Miss and LSU are right now. Henderson's decisions vs LSU in the SECT should not be looked at as a negative. We wanted the rest.
06-10-2018, 01:06 PM
Leroy Jenkins

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The results and the improvement since the start of the season speak for themselves. It IS about results you know.

No matter what I say, you are going to hear what you want..... We agree it is about results, and Im saying Gary has negatively impacted the results thus far. Why are we satisfied with still being alive in a series we should have wrapped up?
06-10-2018, 01:06 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

It goes like this. When he feels like he?s coaching for the season, he makes the reasonable bullpen decisions or what a normal coach would make. When he feels like he has more room for error, he makes dumb ass perplexing decisions ie the LSU game in the SEC tournament, the first Oklahoma game, and the game last night. I have no doubt that since he?s coaching for the season tonight that he will make the right moves tonight.

I believe you are correct. My fear is though that he was actually coaching for the season last night and didn't realize it.
06-10-2018, 01:08 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

No matter what I say, you are going to hear what you want..... We agree it is about results, and Im saying Gary has negatively impacted the results thus far. Why are we satisfied with still being alive in a regional we should have wrapped up?

Liverpool is a coach hoarder. He wanted to keep Stansbury, Croom, Ray and blow Mullen for 6 months after he left.
06-10-2018, 01:10 PM
Leroy Jenkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarketingBully

It goes like this. When he feels like he?s coaching for the season, he makes the reasonable bullpen decisions or what a normal coach would make. When he feels like he has more room for error, he makes dumb ass perplexing decisions ie the LSU game in the SEC tournament, the first Oklahoma game, and the game last night. I have no doubt that since he?s coaching for the season tonight that he will make the right moves tonight.

Agree...

He does not go for the kill because he is too risk averse to what could happen if we fail.
06-10-2018, 01:11 PM
LC Dawg

I have no problem with someone saying Henderson shouldn't be the coach next year because I think most will agree he's not the man for the job. I do, however, think harping on it and starting multiple threads about it is silly and petty.
My biggest issue is not giving any credit to Henderson for this year and blaming everything that goes wrong on him and saying everything that goes right happens in spite of him. The man deserves some credit. Giving him some credit for this year doesn't mean you think he should get the permanent job.
06-10-2018, 01:20 PM
Leroy Jenkins

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC Dawg

I have no problem with someone saying Henderson shouldn't be the coach next year because I think most will agree he's not the man for the job. I do, however, think harping on it and starting multiple threads about it is silly and petty.
My biggest issue is not giving any credit to Henderson for this year and blaming everything that goes wrong on him and saying everything that goes right happens in spite of him. The man deserves some credit. Giving him some credit for this year doesn't mean you think he should get the permanent job.

Sounds reasonable.

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