Should we redouble our efforts on Schloss and/or McDonnell?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dawg61

Wasn't aware we can just buy natty's.

---

You can ensure the gap between what you are projecting and what you know is as small as possible. If we know a guy can take garabage programs like tcu, Louisville, and Texas tech from the dumpster to the CWS multiple times, it's not a stretch to see them being able to get us over the hump and finally winning a natty. If we hire an assistant, the gap between what we want from a guy and what we know about a guy is pretty vast. That's not to say he can't get us what we want, but there's just a lot more of a gamble there.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dawgs

You can ensure the gap between what you are projecting and what you know is as small as possible. If we know a guy can take garabage programs like tcu, Louisville, and Texas tech from the dumpster to the CWS multiple times, it's not a stretch to see them being able to get us over the hump and finally winning a natty. If we hire an assistant, the gap between what we want from a guy and what we know about a guy is pretty vast. That's not to say he can't get us what we want, but there's just a lot more of a gamble there.

---

Be patient. Your frustrations will be gone soon if you can manage to not jump off a building before then.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dawg61

Wasn't aware we can just buy natty's.

---

You can't, but you can "buy" finishing at or near the top of the SEC standings year after year and hosting Regionals and Super Regionals regularly.

Omaha is an 8-way crapshoot, but if you consistently have good teams, and you're consistently getting there, you're going to win some. I want a coach that consistently puts us in the mix.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MSU338

I believe this is going to be the only way John Cohen saves face with MSU fans. If he doesn't hire a top tier coach he will have fans questioning him and his abilities till he retires and probably after that. He needs to throw 2.5 million if need be. What is 2.5 million on a HC when you spent 60mill plus on a stadium. Let Cohen work a few years for free since he is the one that got himself in this mess.

---

Post more!! Rep given.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dawgs

If they win, it'd pay for itself many times over. I'd rather overpay for a natty than pay market rate for 2 seeds and road super regional losses.

---

Rep given

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

These infidelity rumors are stupid. 2 reasons.

1) don't spread sh*t like that unless you know for sure. The guy has kids in high school and college. It's embarrassing to see our fans do it and it feels of sour grapes.

2) basic infidelity is no reason to not hire someone. As long as he isn't breaking the law or sleeping with coworkers or students it would be dumb as hell not to hire a coach like that for something so common

Bonus point. Why hasn't TCU fired him if it's bad enough for us not to hire him?

Stop spreading bullshit rumors like this. Every single person that has brought it up doesn't have a clue if it's true or not. It's a harmful rumor and you are spreading because you got your feelings hurt he turned us down

---

This all day!! Just stop. It's harmful and dumb.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bully13

Even if you average 10k a game, once you start paying a baseball coach 1.5M plus, you are getting less ROI by far out of the big 3.

---

What will the ROI be on a 60 mill stadium if you screw this hire up and put a crappy product on the field with no fan support?

If we want to be an elite program, we hire McDonnell or Schloss. There is a number that will get one of them here, and we need to give it to them.

Remember how much our annual budget has increased thanks to SEC Network $$. We can use a little of that on baseball and lock in an elite coach.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If we want to be an elite program, we hire McDonnell or Schloss. There is a number that will get one of them here, and we need to give it to them.

Remember how much our annual budget has increased thanks to SEC Network $$. We can use a little of that on baseball and lock in an elite coach.

---

Florida hired an assistant and became/stayed elite.

Vandy hired an assistant and became elite.

Louisville hired an assistant and became elite.

Tcu hired a coach at a small school and became elite .

We don't have to hire an established elite coach to be elite. We just have to find the right guy, and surround him with good coaches... we have 1 already in Gautreau

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

Florida hired an assistant and became/stayed elite.

Vandy hired an assistant and became elite.

Louisville hired an assistant and became elite.

Tcu hired a coach at a small school and became elite .

We don't have to hire an established elite coach to be elite. We just have to find the right guy, and surround him with good coaches... we have 1 already in Gautreau

---

Yeah and a whole more schools made similar choices and didn't become elite.

Maybe we can get lucky and hire the next elite coach, but if we go that route we're a lot more likely to find someone who's just good, or worse. I'd rather just get a coach we know is one of the absolute best, instead of getting one we hope might be.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MSU338

What will the ROI be on a 60 mill stadium if you screw this hire up and put a crappy product on the field with no fan support?

---

Our stadium cost isn't extreme. 3 other power 5 schools have announced new stadiums recently that I have seen.

Oklahoma State $60 million
Florida $50 million
Kentucky $50 million

I don't know how we got as much bang for our bucks as we did, because our stadium will be much nicer, but the cost really isn't some crazy big number

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yeah and a whole more schools made similar choices and didn't become elite.

Maybe we can get lucky and hire the next elite coach, but if we go that route we're a lot more likely to find someone who's just good, or worse. I'd rather just get a coach we know is one of the absolute best, instead of getting one we hope might be.

---

We aren't trying to go from garbage to elite. We are a very good program right now. We are playing for a ticket to the CWS with a guy Kentucky fired...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

That's more than Moorhead. Is Howland making that? Think we getting a little crazy now

---

Nope and the SEC/ESPN Football TV contracts , Bowl Games, etc. are what brings almost all the SEC money in. I think JoeMo is maybe $1.6 million ? I'm not sure on that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

It really seems something happened with Schloss and it wasn't money if we all believe the rumors. Either we screwed up and told him to wait, we moved on for some reason, or he talked it over and decided he wanted to stay where he was.
We might never know the truth. Especially if it's John's fault.

---

Based on what?s out there right now, I bet we asked him to wait. I do know TCU put pressure on him last weekend to make a decision due to the draft and them wanting to finalize something with Saarloos due to the Rice situation. That to me makes the most sense. We can?t expect a big time name like Schlossnagle to wait unless we have a deal in place in principle and we have assured him that he?s our guy and we aren?t continuing to interview candidates. The fact of the matter is Cohen is not and was not going to name a coach until our season ended and he has continued to interview people as coaches seasons have come to an end. But like I said I?m done with this search until a coach is named. PR wise it?s a nightmare and makes us look bad to have three rejections and our team is still playing in the super regionals. I think I?ll just concentrate on us possibly making Omaha rather then this cluster...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

We aren't trying to go from garbage to elite. We are a very good program right now. We are playing for a ticket to the CWS with a guy Kentucky fired...

---

In all honesty, we could win at a high consistent level with these targets: Butch Thompson with Gautreau, Monte Lee keeping Gautreau and getting an elite pitching coach, Tim Tadlock, and Kirk Saarloos with Gautreau. Three of those options are supposedly our top targets. There are still a number of targets out there that would win and keep us winning consistently at a high level.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yeah and a whole more schools made similar choices and didn't become elite.

Maybe we can get lucky and hire the next elite coach, but if we go that route we're a lot more likely to find someone who's just good, or worse. I'd rather just get a coach we know is one of the absolute best, instead of getting one we hope might be.

---

This all day. And yes, I would go back and offer them again. Everyone has a number.



Also- it's a negotiating tactic. How many of us have turned down a job initially only to have the job come back and offer more money? Or bought a car and did the walk out to try to get the dealer to lower the price?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MarketingBully

In all honesty, we could win at a high consistent level with these targets: Butch Thompson with Gautreau, Monte Lee keeping Gautreau and getting an elite pitching coach, Tim Tadlock, and Kirk Saarloos with Gautreau. Three of those options are supposedly our top targets. There are still a number of targets out there that would win and keep us winning consistently at a high level.

---

The thing is we are already good. Three SR's in a row show that. We need someone with an attitude similar to Cohen's to win a NC IMO. That's my main reason for not wanting Butch. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cohen took us further than any of our other coaches in Omaha. I just wish he had taken over a better situation instead of having to do a massive rebuild and start out behind the eight ball or his tenure would have been even better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Nope and the SEC/ESPN Football TV contracts , Bowl Games, etc. are what brings almost all the SEC money in. I think JoeMo is maybe $1.6 million ? I'm not sure on that.

---

Moorhead makes around $2.3. He asked for less pay for himself so he could offer more for the assistants.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Dawg61

Moorhead makes around $2.3. He asked for less pay for himself so he could offer more for the assistants.

---

I think it's very likely he gets a raise. We were willing to pay Dan I think 4-5 million and I don't think we're breaking the bank on the current assistants that we have even if Joe took a paycut for the assistants. Grantham was paid pretty well- maybe a million? I can't remember.

We're probably going to save a lot of money with our football coaches and have a good chance of getting better results.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by confucius say

I think it's quite possible that Schloss was the guy. That's why Cohen made statements like he did. That's why their AD said no comment and that TCU would persevere. That's why Sarloos was rumored to be promoted. That's why Schloss was rumored to be contacting our recruits already (Commerce).

I think smn happened at the 11th hour to cause it to fall apart. My guess is the infidelity rumors.

---

I'm a law of parsimony guy but it makes me wonder if the TCU version of Lee Begley wrecked our Schlossnagle move - that would be some incredibly bad luck in one year, like losing a near entire class of pitchers to TJ