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10-09-2013, 02:33 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Because we don't even KNOW they are being investigated! Trust me, we all want to believe that they have interviewed 40 players and that 12 different schools turned them in, yada yada yada....

No, you don't. Because if you DID want to know that, you would spend 5 minutes on ANY other message board around the SEC and see what THEIR insiders had to say about it. I already GAVE you a method of confirmation. You are just taking the opposite approach for the hell of it.

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but outside of message board rumors and a few blog writers, there is no proof that any of that has happened. And I'm actually one of the ones that hopes like hell that it is happening and that we will soon see proof.

Where was the "proof" anything was happening between us and Redmond prior to an unreliable source running his mouth about a bunch of crap SIX MONTHS after our investigation had started?

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But for you and Engie to act like we KNOW all of this shit, is pure horseshit at this point.

No, it isn't. I find it hilarious that you took my every word with recruiting -- much of it privately -- thus knowing that I knew what was happening last year and much of what I knew was NOT coming from message board bs -- yet are defiant that I would know anything about this? What gives?

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And if not, then this is one of those times that I actually hope Engie brings his data to the table, because I don't KNOW shit because none of it is from FACTUAL sources that I have seen.

So, you want us to out sources on a public message board to "prove" to you that we know what's coming? You are totally off your rocker today man. IDGAF if you or anyone else "believes" that I know what we are talking about. Time will tell.

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Everything you guys speak of is message board rumor mill type stuff, and I can't sit here and say "man, I can't wait to see these sanctions" when all I have to go by is a guy on a blog or a message board.

So, what do you actually want dude? Fowler told you there was an investigation ongoing. All of THEIR insiders confirm it. Ours confirm it, Bama's confirm it, Texas confirms it, Georgia confirms it. You are trying HARD not to see it.

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How many times have you guys said yourselves that there is tons of bS floating around blogs and message boards.

How many times have I said this? Probably not many. Considering 99.9% of actual information comes off a variation of blogs and message boards these days. Is it somehow more valid when Pat Forde "blogs" about it than when the Texas insider at Orangebloods does it? Or the Bama insider at TideInsider? Those guys are PAID to be RIGHT on info that the general public doesn't yet know -- and all of them have SOMEHOW arrived at the same conclusion despite having no OBVIOUS connection to each other. Care to explain that to me?

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Again, not saying YOU guys may not know something. But WE don't know shit to be factual. I would love for you to show it to me so I can KNOW though. That's basically what I'm asking for. So Engie, don't tell me WE KNOW anything unless you can show us how WE KNOW it. Because I think I speak for many on this board that haven't seen this information that proves what you guys say is true. Not saying you select few don't know something, but Please show us how you know these things to be true, and not just tell us that you know....otherwise your saying "WE" know, is just not true

I've given you the method to figure it out for yourself(now MULTIPLE times). If you choose to deny what John Farley and Paul Jones are continually telling you, along with countless other program insiders, that's your own prerogative. That's ALL I'm giving you. I'm damn sure not outing actual sources on Elitedawgs for a bunch of people looking for a reason not to believe the info anyway.
10-09-2013, 02:34 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And another thing....don't tell me to take a break for anything. And also, what are you talking about "meltdown"?'im just discussing this topic on the board. So either add someone of value or STFU.

You wrote 3 long ass posts to Coach complaining because he hasn't given you more than an article. Great value there.
10-09-2013, 02:35 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by C222

THAT is what you like to hear? Its the same shit everyone else has been saying.

You're just trying to be a shit, but no, I'm saying I want to see that they sent them a letter. If he says I have great sources to believe a letter has been sent, that is far better than just saying "well, we know that a letter has been sent", and not being able to say how "we" know this.
10-09-2013, 02:36 PM
TheRef

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10-09-2013, 02:37 PM
FlabLoser

We get it, CadaverDawg, you don't believe. That's OK.
10-09-2013, 02:38 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

An interview does not = investigation. Not by any definition. Certainly interviews are part of an investigation. But one story talking about one player being interviewed does not indicate a larger investigation. What if the interview was to find out if there is anything to investigate? And what if the answer to that was "no"?

Coach you may know all of this for fact. And I hope you are right, I really, really do. But the reality is if you really didn't know shit and were just hoping and wanting to act like you are in the know, you would say the exact same things.

None of what I know or am saying is based on the CBS article and the article on CJ. But I offer those as proof they are being investigated- because that's what the NCAA does during an investigation- interview people.
10-09-2013, 02:38 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You're just trying to be a shit, but no, I'm saying I want to see that they sent them a letter. If he says I have great sources to believe a letter has been sent, that is far better than just saying "well, we know that a letter has been sent", and not being able to say how "we" know this.

Yeah, those are totally different. How dare Engie, C34, and Hack not say "We have great sources! A letter was sent!" instead of "We know a letter was sent." Such assholes, those guys.
10-09-2013, 02:40 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

No, you don't. Because if you DID want to know that, you would spend 5 minutes on ANY other message board around the SEC and see what THEIR insiders had to say about it. I already GAVE you a method of confirmation. You are just taking the opposite approach for the hell of it.

Where was the "proof" anything was happening between us and Redmond prior to an unreliable source running his mouth about a bunch of crap SIX MONTHS after our investigation had started?

No, it isn't. I find it hilarious that you took my every word with recruiting -- much of it privately -- thus knowing that I knew what was happening last year and much of what I knew was NOT coming from message board bs -- yet are defiant that I would know anything about this? What gives?

So, you want us to out sources on a public message board to "prove" to you that we know what's coming? You are totally off your rocker today man. IDGAF if you or anyone else "believes" that I know what we are talking about. Time will tell.

So, what do you actually want dude? Fowler told you there was an investigation ongoing. All of THEIR insiders confirm it. Ours confirm it, Bama's confirm it, Texas confirms it, Georgia confirms it. You are trying HARD not to see it.

How many times have I said this? Probably not many. Considering 99.9% of actual information comes off a variation of blogs and message boards these days. Is it somehow more valid when Pat Forde "blogs" about it than when the Texas insider at Orangebloods does it? Or the Bama insider at TideInsider? Those guys are PAID to be RIGHT on info that the general public doesn't yet know -- and all of them have SOMEHOW arrived at the same conclusion despite having no OBVIOUS connection to each other. Care to explain that to me?

I've given you the method to figure it out for yourself(now MULTIPLE times). If you choose to deny what John Farley and Paul Jones are continually telling you, along with countless other program insiders, that's your own prerogative. That's ALL I'm giving you. I'm damn sure not outing actual sources on Elitedawgs for a bunch of people looking for a reason not to believe the info anyway.

Engie, you are misunderstanding everything I'm saying. You guys were saying what "we" know as a board, were you not? Maybe I misunderstood you. But that's the way I assumed you were saying what "we all know". So I was simply saying, "I DONT" so I didn't understand how "we all" were supposed to know this.

Now if you tell me "you know" something...I believe you because as you just said, I trust your sources. That's not the way I thought you were saying it though.

So don't get all defensive, and act like I suddenly don't trust you or your sources. I didn't think you were saying "you know something privately from your sources"....I took it as "it is public knowledge and WE KNOW that these things happened", and those were the things I doidnt know anything about.

Some of you are reading way beyond what I'm saying. That's why I asked coach "is this something you are hearing from sources" or something that is general knowledge. If it's sources then great, I'm cool with that and would never ask for your sources info in public.
10-09-2013, 02:42 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So you're telling me that you are basing everything you have been building up to our message board fan base off of those two articles? Holy shit, you don't think that is a little misleading?

No. That's not what he's telling you at all. He's giving you the confirmations that you are asking for of what is WIDELY known out there now.

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I was hoping you guys had some actual information to share. If you're basing this "Rebears are going down" talk on those articles that basically say nothing....then I am thinking nothing comes of it.

No one is basing anything on those articles.

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Now, if more leaks out, then great. But basically you are telling me that we have confirmation of 1 guy being interviewed, and he plays for STATE!, yet we are all supposed to be anticipating some big ole miss sanctions, and thinking that 40+ people have been interviewed, and 12 schools have turned ole miss in,etc...all based on those two articles?? Please tell me that the 40+ people, the letter, the schools that turned them in, has some type of proof, and that you all aren't just saying what you THINK is going to leak out in the next several months.

So, it's doubt, doubt, doubt -- until "oh wait, they were right" -- thus playing OM's role for them? Got it**

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Geez. I'm glad I'm not literally popping popcorn, because this is sounding less practical by the minute.

K. Well, if you don't want to hear about it -- don't read it. It's pretty simple. When literally EVERYTHING you hear/see from "behind the veil" so to speak point in the same direction -- and you choose to believe the opposite -- you are trolling people that you already KNOW are way more connected to things than you are. Nothing more or less.
10-09-2013, 02:43 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

None of what I know or am saying is based on the CBS article and the article on CJ. But I offer those as proof they are being investigated- because that's what the NCAA does during an investigation- interview people.

This is all you had to say. If you're saying you have knowledge beyond those articles, then I believe you and don't need to hear anything else.ni thought you were saying "we all know" as in, it's public knowledge that these things are happening. When as you just proved, we don't know anything beyond those two articles.

Thank you for clearing it up. My apologies to those that thought I was taking it as if Coach, Engie, and hack's sources were bad. That's not what I think at all, quite the opposite. I just didn't know they were talking about things beyond public knowledge.
10-09-2013, 02:45 PM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by FlabLoser

We get it, CadaverDawg, you don't believe. That's OK.

He's not the only one.
10-09-2013, 02:46 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

No. That's not what he's telling you at all. He's giving you the confirmations that you are asking for of what is WIDELY known out there now.

No one is basing anything on those articles.

So, it's doubt, doubt, doubt -- until "oh wait, they were right" -- thus playing OM's role for them? Got it**

K. Well, if you don't want to hear about it -- don't read it. It's pretty simple. When literally EVERYTHING you hear/see from "behind the veil" so to speak point in the same direction -- and you choose to believe the opposite -- you are trolling people that you already KNOW are way more connected to things than you are. Nothing more or less.

You are so anxious to attack and call people trolls, that you will turn on people that you know agree with you 99% of the time. Did you realize that?

I was simply wanting to know where you guys heard this, and was it public knowledge. A simple "no, not beyond what these two articles said, everything else I'm hearing from other sources" would have cleared everything up. Sorry for confusing you on getting my question across.
10-09-2013, 02:46 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

Cadaver, don't hold your breath man. They have nothing but rumors and hope. That's it. Maybe something will come of it, and if it does, they will be heard near and far screaming about they told you it was coming. And when nothing happens? They will come up with some new rumor as to why it all went away. We've seen this show before. About a dozen times.

Some specifics from the articles provided:

"The specific nature of the interview is unknown." - Jeremy Fowler

"Jones' mother, Mary Woodhouse, said she did not know about an NCAA interview and she never noticed anything suspicious regarding Ole Miss' recruitment of Jones. She called the family's visit to Oxford ?very nice. They were nice to us,? and discussed Ole Miss' commitment to academics. --- daming stuff right there

"we cannot comment on current, pending or potential cases." --- I think some folks need to get out their dictionary and look up the definition of the word "potential".

Lol... that's funny.
10-09-2013, 02:48 PM
FlabLoser

I still say nobody has to believe C34 & the usual suspects to know there is an investigation. That article is logical proof.

1) The NCAA doesn't interview people for the hell of it.

2) When the NCAA is done, they penalize or write a letter clearing the school. You know damn well Ole Miss would go public that they've been cleared if they've been cleared - and they've not done that.

I'm not interested in debating this. Just throwing it out there for NAFOOM. :-)
10-09-2013, 02:48 PM
Boodawg

Well, I certainly hope something will end up happening to them, but I am not going to hold my breath that it will be significant at all. Probably lose a couple schollys or something similar. I will be ecstatic if it's more, but not holding my breath.
10-09-2013, 02:50 PM
MadDawg

So, what do you actually want dude? Fowler told you there was an investigation ongoing. - No, actually he just told us one player was interviewed. (and I thought nobody was using those articles as proof?)

All of THEIR insiders confirm it. - Really? Link?
Ours confirm it - Really? Link?
Bama's confirm it - Really? Link?
Texas confirms it - Really, Link?
Georgia confirms it - Really? Link?

You are trying HARD not to see it. If you will show me the proof, I'll see it. As will everyone else. But you can't show proof. And it damn well might be impossible to show proof right now. Which is why you can't say shit like "everyone knows it!"
10-09-2013, 02:55 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

So, what do you actually want dude? Fowler told you there was an investigation ongoing. - No, actually he just told us one player was interviewed. (and I thought nobody was using those articles as proof?)

All of THEIR insiders confirm it. - Really? Link?
Ours confirm it - Really? Link?
Bama's confirm it - Really? Link?
Texas confirms it - Really, Link?
Georgia confirms it - Really? Link?

You are trying HARD not to see it. If you will show me the proof, I'll see it. As will everyone else. But you can't show proof. And it damn well might be impossible to show proof right now. Which is why you can't say shit like "everyone knows it!"

TiderInsider guy confirmed it. I don't have access to that site but I saw on Twitter, an Ole Miss fan tweet Kellenberger a link asking if he could confirm it.

Also, C34 posted here about TI's report.
10-09-2013, 02:55 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You are so anxious to attack and call people trolls, that you will turn on people that you know agree with you 99% of the time. Did you realize that?

You've done ZERO research on this. Looked NONE for the info in question. Yet you are arguing against it's existence. That's the very definition of trolling -- and when you are doing it, I'm going to tell you about it. Nothing more or less.

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I was simply wanting to know where you guys heard this, and was it public knowledge

From LITERALLY every insider and source that I have. And everyone else's as well. There isn't a SINGLE person out there that qualifies as an inside source saying that "all is well" for them.

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A simple "no, not beyond what these two articles said, everything else I'm hearing from other sources" would have cleared everything up. Sorry for confusing you on getting my question across.

It was common sense that what is known went WAY beyond what the articles said. Do you REALLY think I would put myself out there and be overly confident about this based on what those two articles said? No. It's on ALL of the knowledge acquired since. And alot of it is out there for public consumption to anyone actually interested in finding it.
10-09-2013, 02:55 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

So, what do you actually want dude? Fowler told you there was an investigation ongoing. - No, actually he just told us one player was interviewed. (and I thought nobody was using those articles as proof?)

All of THEIR insiders confirm it. - Really? Link?
Ours confirm it - Really? Link?
Bama's confirm it - Really? Link?
Texas confirms it - Really, Link?
Georgia confirms it - Really? Link?

You are trying HARD not to see it. If you will show me the proof, I'll see it. As will everyone else. But you can't show proof. And it damn well might be impossible to show proof right now. Which is why you can't say shit like "everyone knows it!"

Yep. This is basically what I've been saying. I want to believe it, so help me believe it. And quit saying "everyone knows it", because we don't. And for Engie to say "I'm trolling people that I know are more connected to the program than me"....I like you Engie, but **** you with that attitude. You know me better than to say some bull shit like that. If I had known you all were basing it off your "insiders" then I wouldn't have even asked for where you're getting it. But when you keep saying things like "everybody knows" and "we all know", I assumed you meant "the public" "the fan base"...I wouldn't ask for your damn sources if I knew they were private and you know that from us talking in the past.
10-09-2013, 02:58 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

You've done ZERO research on this. Looked NONE for the info in question. Yet you are arguing against it's existence. That's the very definition of trolling -- and when you are doing it, I'm going to tell you about it. Nothing more or less.

From LITERALLY every insider and source that I have. And everyone else's as well. There isn't a SINGLE person out there that qualifies as an inside source saying that "all is well" for them.

It was common sense that what is known went WAY beyond what the articles said. Do you REALLY think I would put myself out there and be overly confident about this based on what those two articles said? No. It's on ALL of the knowledge acquired since. And alot of it is out there for public consumption to anyone actually interested in finding it.

"I've done nothing to research this": seriously? Maybe I'm not a subscriber to a ton of inside information, but I have researched it as far as a free research can go...and I've found nothing. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked you. Don't tell me what I have and have not done.

Maybe you should try to quit being a know it all prick for a second and realize that even someone that considers you a good guy wi sources can ask you a ****ing question.

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