Super Bowl Thoughts

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

We may have a lot more information when Brady does retire if the Patriots are still a good team. If Brady retires and they plug in a new qb that wins some superbowls, that will somewhat weaken Brady's argument, just like Steve Young being able to keep the 49ers going weakens Montana's argument.

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Boom. Young actually have a better qb rating than Montana

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Isn't that the whole point?

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Absolutely not. Jamal Lewis would be the GOAT RB if that was the case. Corey Dillon would be top 5. To be GOAT you have to factor in the entirety of the career not just the best 4 or 5 seasons.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

We may have a lot more information when Brady does retire if the Patriots are still a good team. If Brady retires and they plug in a new qb that wins some superbowls, that will somewhat weaken Brady's argument, just like Steve Young being able to keep the 49ers going weakens Montana's argument.

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I agree but I also want to point out that Young and the 49ers only won the Super Bowl once after Montana left- and that was with a team that they loaded up on free agent superstars to accomplish the task.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Absolutely not. Jamal Lewis would be the GOAT RB if that was the case. Corey Dillon would be top 5. To be GOAT you have to factor in the entirety of the career not just the best 4 or 5 seasons.

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I'm counting all years that they played over half of a season or more. That is what I am considering "peak"- not just best 4 or 5. Essentially what you are saying is era does matter but you just don't realize it. Which is exactly what I have been saying all along.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Boom. Young actually have a better qb rating than Montana

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Which already invalidates your argument. Passer rating is heavily influenced by attempts and favors offenses that throw more- like the ones today do vs. the ones the ones back in the 80's.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm counting all years that they played over half of a season or more. That is what I am considering "peak"- not just best 4 or 5. Essentially what you are saying is era does matter but you just don't realize it. Which is exactly what I have been saying all along.

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Montana is the 2nd best QB of all-time. That's pretty good. He ain't GOAT. There's a reason you're the only one still arguing he is.

I loved Joe Montana but he?s #2. Brady is the GOAT. The overall body of work, regular season, post season, statistically, longevity, it?s no contest, and Brady isn?t finished.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm sorry, but as much as I hate Brady, he's the GOAT. There's really no disputing it.

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Imagine Brady with Rice and Taylor.