Bo Bounds Say (on Finebaum)

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Brain fart. Didn't say anything contrary to that but you just asked to name a school that did. VT is the answer. And there have been several coaches over the years who retained staff. Dan kept Reed Stringer. It's not unheard of

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Dan also kept Melvin Smith and David Turner, moved Felker from RB coach to Dir. of Player Personnel, and kept Jody Wright on staff in recruiting.

People have short memories. Why did Dan keep those guys? He wasn't tied to a staff as a new HC, and needed recruiters who knew the area.

The problem with Dan getting going in recruiting was DAN HATES to CROOT. It wasn't because he was a Yankee. It wasn't because staff didn't "know" the high schools (everyone knows Cheese and Rockey were our guys there at the time). But, Dan set the tone for expectations, and that's what the staff followed.

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Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs

https://247sports.com/Coach/Joe-Moor...llTimeRecruits

He is gonna miraculously turn on the jets in the south?

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https://247sports.com/Coach/Billy-Gonzales-260

Think these can be deceiving?

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Originally Posted by thf24

He hasn't even been at Penn State two full years, and 247 doesn't even have the "primary recruiter" right a lot of the time. Quit trying to make something out of nothing. You have no idea how effective of a recruiter he'd be here, and Cohen wouldn't be considering him if he thought he couldn't get the job done on that front.

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This all day long. One of the first things Cohen looked for in a replacement for himself was how good a recruiter Canny was. It is more important in baseball but Cohen knows if you can't recruit then you can't compete. MS athletes typically don't get as many "stars" from the recruiting services but you have to get the talent. Once you get the talent then you coach them up. If it ends up being Moorhead then I trust that Cohen has taken into account all the possible negatives to the hire.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Dan also kept Melvin Smith and David Turner, moved Felker from RB coach to Dir. of Player Personnel, and kept Jody Wright on staff in recruiting.

People have short memories. Why did Dan keep those guys? He wasn't tied to a staff as a new HC, and needed recruiters who knew the area.

The problem with Dan getting going in recruiting was DAN HATES to CROOT. It wasn't because he was a Yankee. It wasn't because staff didn't "know" the high schools (everyone knows Cheese and Rockey were our guys there at the time). But, Dan set the tone for expectations, and that's what the staff followed.

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This is why I trust Cohen making the hire. Cohen has been there and done it so he knows what a head coach needs to do as far as recruiting goes.

Sorry but it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe that a Bronx born and bred coach can adapt to the world of football in the cotton south. No doubt he is an excellent coach but that does not make him a good fit for the Lon haul in Starkville, Mississippi. If we want to kick the P5 head coaching door open for him so he can make the transition to the big time fine, but we will be searching again in 18 months. The first time he is recruiting in Franklin County and somebody gives him a plate of chitlins and collard greens he will be dreaming of the local deli on 5th Avenue.

Moorhead was recruiting coord when he was at Toledo for what its worth.

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Originally Posted by benbow

Sorry but it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe that a Bronx born and bred coach can adapt to the world of football in the cotton south. No doubt he is an excellent coach but that does not make him a good fit for the Lon haul in Starkville, Mississippi. If we want to kick the P5 head coaching door open for him so he can make the transition to the big time fine, but we will be searching again in 18 months. The first time he is recruiting in Franklin County and somebody gives him a plate of chitlins and collard greens he will be dreaming of the local deli on 5th Avenue.

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I'm born and raised here and still can't eat chitlins. Especially don't want to smell them

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Moorhead was recruiting coord when he was at Toledo for what its worth.

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Akron, not Toledo.

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Originally Posted by benbow

Sorry but it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe that a Bronx born and bred coach can adapt to the world of football in the cotton south. No doubt he is an excellent coach but that does not make him a good fit for the Lon haul in Starkville, Mississippi. If we want to kick the P5 head coaching door open for him so he can make the transition to the big time fine, but we will be searching again in 18 months. The first time he is recruiting in Franklin County and somebody gives him a plate of chitlins and collard greens he will be dreaming of the local deli on 5th Avenue.

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You realize that we just had a yankee coach right?

People adjust

As HC most of your job as recruiting as I understand it is to make final decisions on who to offer and then be the closer on guys you're fighting hard for when you do the in-home visits and official visits. You have to sell the kids you can turn them into NFL players and convince mommas that you'll take care of their kid and keep him out of trouble and get a degree.

I doubt the top HC recruit, recruit, recruit like bucky tried to.

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Originally Posted by benbow

Sorry but it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe that a Bronx born and bred coach can adapt to the world of football in the cotton south. No doubt he is an excellent coach but that does not make him a good fit for the Lon haul in Starkville, Mississippi. If we want to kick the P5 head coaching door open for him so he can make the transition to the big time fine, but we will be searching again in 18 months. The first time he is recruiting in Franklin County and somebody gives him a plate of chitlins and collard greens he will be dreaming of the local deli on 5th Avenue.

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I am sure Nick Saban is doubling his heppin of chitlins every chance he gets. I was born and raised in MS and I wouldn't touch that $hit.

Moorehead will be fine recruiting if his personality is engaging. Y'all put way to much stock in that regionalism shit. Everything I've read about him says that he connects with players really well and is able to sell himself and his offense to players. In the end, that'll be what gets players to sign here - not where he's from.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Moorehead will be fine recruiting if his personality is engaging. Y'all put way to much stock in that regionalism shit. Everything I've read about him says that he connects with players really well and is able to sell himself and his offense to players. In the end, that'll be what gets players to sign here - not where he's from.

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Someone with some common sense! Thank you!

Moorhead went to school at Fordham, but he?s not from the Bronx. He?s from Pittsburgh.

http://triblive.com/sports/nationwor...rdham-football

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Someone with some common sense! Thank you!

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Maybe we need to change ?common sense? to ?un?common? sense from here on out because it?s not so common any longer.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Maybe we need to change ?common sense? to ?un?common? sense from here on out because it?s not so common any longer.

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lol Probably the most truest statement ever made on here!

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Originally Posted by benbow

Sorry but it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe that a Bronx born and bred coach can adapt to the world of football in the cotton south. No doubt he is an excellent coach but that does not make him a good fit for the Lon haul in Starkville, Mississippi. If we want to kick the P5 head coaching door open for him so he can make the transition to the big time fine, but we will be searching again in 18 months. The first time he is recruiting in Franklin County and somebody gives him a plate of chitlins and collard greens he will be dreaming of the local deli on 5th Avenue.

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I would be dreaming of something else too, that sounds disgusting and I don't that many would serve that crap to someone they wanted to impress. I certainly love collards, but can't stand the smell of hog shit casings.

The worlds not nearly as large as it used to be. Believe it or not, people can pick up their phones and talk to people instantly from all across the country. I know that’s hard to believe, this being a message board and all, but it’s true.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

If we keep a good bit of the D staff that is left - English, Baker, TBuck - and Looney on O, we have the makings of keeping a strong D and our recruiting core in place. Add to it our off field guys in Gibson, Peterson, Austin and Bowen who really make the contacts with the coaches, and there is nothing really to worry about. People are forgetting that English was a Broyles winner as DC at Michigan in '06.

Remember - those guys aren't tied to Grantham, they came in with Sirmon or before.

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English came in same time as Grantham.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Moorehead will be fine recruiting if his personality is engaging. Y'all put way to much stock in that regionalism shit. Everything I've read about him says that he connects with players really well and is able to sell himself and his offense to players. In the end, that'll be what gets players to sign here - not where he's from.

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Ding-Ding. We have a winner here folks. East coast football guys crave places where the game matters. And as the commercial says - it just matters more in the south. Our program is in a knife fight every year (and not cuz we po’ miss’tate) because we are perpetually an underdog.

I’ll take a guy that will fight, run an innovative offense and extend both middle fingers to our opponents every chance he gets. Maybe some up North a-hole attitude would be good about now. Dan lost his edginess a few years ago.

Frankly I want the coach Cohen decides is best. But if it is Moorehead then get him what he needs and let’s go conquer the damn conference.

I am getting back on my cruise ship. Sporadic inter web support throughout the next four days - so let’s get this done ASAP Mr. Cohen.

Now, in order to support this coach search I am going up to the tenth deck and eat my weight in buffet food. The sacrifices I make for the dawgs...