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Well you like facts so here's one. No one has ever led a team back from 21 down in super bowl. Doesn't matter what the falcons did the pats won, that is a fact! Also no one has 5 sb rings but Brady at qb, fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
He'll be 3rd once Dan gets thru developing Fitz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople
Lol. Brady is in a league of his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Brady undisputed best of all time now.
Eli would have to win three more. He will be lucky to last three seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Comparing football stats from the 80's to football stats today would be like me trying to compare baseball stats from the 1900's to baseball stats today. It's a totally different game now than the one Montana QB in. The 49ers had one of the most pass happy offenses in the league and they rarely threw the ball more than 25-30 times. That would be considered run heavy today. Different rules that allow the WR's more plus QB's are protected more than ever as well. Montana missed at least two seasons because he got knocked out on plays that I have no question would be illegal now and probably would have gotten the defensive player ejected.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Babe Ruth was a better player than Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds even though Aaron and Bonds have more career home runs.
Also- get back to me when someone accuses Montana of cheating in a game.
Brady lost a complete season in his prime ('08)Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Eli has 2 and before today Brady has 4. Not sure what you were getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Brady is GOAT!
Some people will never accept it. The only ones that don't say Brady is the GOAT are the people who absolutely hate him. Those of us that don't care either way, (never been a Pats fan), know without a shadow of a doubt that Brady is the GOAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think the bigger difference between then and now isn't necessarily that many more passes, but more plays in general. The 1990 49ers with Montana averaged 36 passes per game (not 25-30), and I'm sure most of his other teams were similar. And the one thing you can't dispute regardless of the era is championships. And the supporting cast Brady has pales in comparison to what Montana had to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Montana lost two- 1991 and almost all of 1992. Not to mention he played most of 1987 after having his spine fused. RP is right about him sort of getting screwed by the 49ers success. If they don't have Young they hold onto Montana through 1994 and he wins the Super Bowl again not to mention I think the 49ers would have probably three peated in 1990 had he not been knocked out again on a play that would be illegal today. Also there was a NFL strike in 1982 that cost him a few games plus you had the Montana/Young controversy where Walsh wanted to start Young and that cost Montana at least three-six games a year usually against people like the Jets where he could have padded his stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Giants and pats faced 2 times in super bowl and Eli won both. It was just a point that super bowl results aren't the only determinate in qb greatness. In no way was I saying Eli is even in the same universe as BradyQuote:
Originally Posted by archdog
Maybe, just maybe young was better than Montana when the 49ers made the move. No, it was undeniable imo that young was superior to montana at that stage of their careersQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Young career qb rating = 96.8
Montana = 92.3
Name his WR's, TE's and RB's from his first two Super Bowls. Hint- Jerry Rice didn't play on either one. The 49ers did start to change the NFL in regards to throwing the ball more. I'm sure that average is upped some because if they were behind they would start to throw it more- I remember times where they would throw it as high as 50 times at least- but I think if you asked Walsh at that time, his ideal would be throwing it about 25-30 times a game. John Taylor, Brent Jones, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman- none of them are in the HOF. Craig might get there one day. None of their o-linemen have a legit shot. Dwight Clark wouldn't be known at all if it wasn't for Montana- and I think you could say that for a lot of their other players. In fact, I think the fact that so many people think that they were loaded with talent and looked so good as is a testament to Montana making them look good at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Montana wears Brady pajamas. You are wrong. Just admit it. Hanging on to such a silly thought is sadQuote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
I'll accept the fact that that Brady is the GOAT. Cannot argue it. Never will I acknowledge Young is even on a par with Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Young was never better than Montana while Montana was playing, or ever for that matter. Young never could get past his 2nd receiver or he took off running. That's why he has such a high QB rating. And in the 1 NFC Title game he won ... he was 13 - 30 (if I recall correctly) passing against the Cowboys. Deion Sanders won that NFC title game for them by shutting down Alvin Harper.
In the 1993 NFC Title game (1992 Season) when they lost to the Boys 30 - 20, he played horrible in that one too. Yet Seifert, with the greatest come from behind QB ever (at that time) ready to go on the bench, wouldn't put Joe in the game.
All Young did was pester coaches about wanting to play the whole time Joe was in San Fran. Joe almost single handedly took KC to the AFC Title game 2 years later, and beat both Young and Elway in head to head matchups.
What years are those from? Walsh wanted to start Young and none of the coaches wanted to do it in 1988. In fact, the 49ers were 6-5 at one point and things came to a head and they decided to start Montana again exclusively- 49ers won the Super Bowl and went undefeated. In 1989 they started Young a few times usually against lesser teams to try to keep Montana healthy- easier competition equals better numbers. And then in 1994 Montana and Young went head to head with Montana having a team with much lesser talent and beat the crap out of the 49ers. Having lesser talent with the Chiefs- JJ Birden and I think the other guy was Willie Davis couldn't possibly have contributed to lesser numbers at all could it?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The only reason Young got the job was because Montana got hurt and Young was younger at the time and they decided that the better move in the long run at that point was to trade Joe.
Brady has avg'd 34.7 att/gameQuote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Montana has avg'd 28.1 att/game
That is a significant difference, but not a crazy amount
Dude,Motana was great, know one Is disagreeing with that fact. But Brady is the best ever, winning 5 Super Bowls and staying healthy for the most part is remarkable. He ain't done either, I ain't a Pats fan either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State