DD Bowie leaning away from UM

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And to add- the fact of the matter is if you look at MSU and Ole Miss since 2013 we've had almost identical success on the field doing it both ways. I picked 2013 because that was the first year that Freeze and Ole Miss got their 2013 class that ran concurrently with how we do things. Biggest difference is our style is more sustainable only because it doesn't lead to crippling probation. It doesn't change the fact that of we don't bring in more talent we won't advance much beyond what we already have which is better than probation but also not reaching our ceiling. We need to add talent to the work ethic blue collar guys to reach our ceiling. The blue collar hard working guys will need to help keep the talented guys in line and hopefully the swag guys can elevate the blue collar guys level of play.

See Deion Sanders when he joined the 49ers in 1994.

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Good post Todd.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And to add- the fact of the matter is if you look at MSU and Ole Miss since 2013 we've had almost identical success on the field doing it both ways. I picked 2013 because that was the first year that Freeze and Ole Miss got their 2013 class that ran concurrently with how we do things. Biggest difference is our style is more sustainable only because it doesn't lead to crippling probation. It doesn't change the fact that of we don't bring in more talent we won't advance much beyond what we already have which is better than probation but also not reaching our ceiling. We need to add talent to the work ethic blue collar guys to reach our ceiling. The blue collar hard working guys will need to help keep the talented guys in line and hopefully the swag guys can elevate the blue collar guys level of play.

See Deion Sanders when he joined the 49ers in 1994.

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1) Being #1 in the nation obviously isn't good enough for you.
2) When did I ever say anything about avoiding talented guys? What I am saying is that all the talent in the world will not overcome a lack of work ethic. Quay Evans had stars by his name but essentially gave us nothing but issues. Invest your recruiting energy into the guys that have both like KT Thompson, Kylin Hill, Gay, etc.
3) Let's look at OM's big 3 from 2013. One could argue that they were all pretty respectable young men coming out of high school. Freeze and OM seem to have corrupted them the longer they stayed in Oxford. This corrupt culture has led to two out of three being draft busts and the other having a propensity to wearing gas mask bongs. This comes from a messed up culture.
4) Not only is OM collapsing because of NCAA investigations they also collapsed on the field after beating Alabama. WHEN State beats Alabama it will be a team that can go on and win the west.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

1) Being #1 in the nation obviously isn't good enough for you.
2) When did I ever say anything about avoiding talented guys? What I am saying is that all the talent in the world will not overcome a lack of work ethic. Quay Evans had stars by his name but essentially gave us nothing but issues. Invest your recruiting energy into the guys that have both like KT Thompson, Kylin Hill, Gay, etc.
3) Let's look at OM's big 3 from 2013. One could argue that they were all pretty respectable young men coming out of high school. Freeze and OM seem to have corrupted them the longer they stayed in Oxford. This corrupt culture has led to two out of three being draft busts and the other having a propensity to wearing gas mask bongs. This comes from a messed up culture.
4) Not only is OM collapsing because of NCAA investigations they also collapsed on the field after beating Alabama. WHEN State beats Alabama it will be a team that can go on and win the west.

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1) Where did we finish that season? I recall losing to Alabama, Ole Miss, and the Orange Bowl. Should we have been happy with the baseball program for being number one in 2006 and then finishing a three seed too?

2) Problem with your theory is not all of the players we miss out on lack work ethic. And not everyone that has recruiting drama lacks work ethic either- see Richie Brown and Chris Jones. We're missing out on talented guys and saying we didn't want them because they didn't fit our program is a cop out from Dan.

3) I'm not arguing that. I've said Ole Miss had the exact opposite problem as we did. How would our team have been with Tunsil, Treadwell, Nkemdiche, and Conner? Better and they would have likely ended up better players. Treadwell would know more than two routes for sure. They need more character guys. We need more raw talent.

4) Combonation of both IMO culminating with some injuries and an Egg Bowl beat down which I expect to linger into next season.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

THIS! We have a chance to pass Ole Miss AGAIN and yet we sit here with a coach who doesn't prioritize recruiting as important and has described recruiting as the most stressful part of his job. And even worse we have an o-line coach who just gives up whenever one of our targets is offered by another power five program unless that player is like Cordavien Suggs and promises to never take visits and remain 150% loyal.

We're the only school in the SEC that allows a coaching staff to get away with this kind of laziness because it's better than MSU 1969. It's ridiculous in light of what we have accomplished the past 20 years. It's like our fans don't want to believe that we can be consistently good in football and don't want to have higher goals than winning the Egg Bowl and winning the Liberty Bowl.

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TITS blowing a gasket right out of the gate in 2017. Bravo good sir!!

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

TITS blowing a gasket right out of the gate in 2017. Bravo good sir!!

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Blowing a gasket? Please. Apparently you take this way more seriously than I do. Or you are OK with being mediocre. When Dan leaves you'll be the first in line toeing the party line that you are glad he is gone because of his lack of recruiting or whatever the company line is.

Not only that, I'm sure you will be the first in line to tell me how "wrong" I was about Dan when he starts winning with the players that I said should have been starting all along- which is what happened with Josh and Aeris. You are the epitome of the fan that I was talking about which is holding us back as a fan base.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

How bout instead, you walk into your bedroom, pick up a pillow, then scream into it***

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I second that.

We got a shot, I just saw on 247 he is being recruited by Tony Hughes for us.

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Originally Posted by DanDority

We got a shot, I just saw on 247 he is being recruited by Tony Hughes for us.

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If we have Jackson State helping us out in recruiting Dan is way more clever than I gave him credit for.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

THIS! We have a chance to pass Ole Miss AGAIN and yet we sit here with a coach who doesn't prioritize recruiting as important and has described recruiting as the most stressful part of his job. And even worse we have an o-line coach who just gives up whenever one of our targets is offered by another power five program unless that player is like Cordavien Suggs and promises to never take visits and remain 150% loyal.

We're the only school in the SEC that allows a coaching staff to get away with this kind of laziness because it's better than MSU 1969. It's ridiculous in light of what we have accomplished the past 20 years. It's like our fans don't want to believe that we can be consistently good in football and don't want to have higher goals than winning the Egg Bowl and winning the Liberty Bowl.

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Todd, is it possible that the staff has evaluated the young man and he isn't a priority? I know for a fact that the criteria the staff used is nothing at all like what recruiting services use. Why must we assume that the 4 stars and the rating by the CL is justification to make him a priority for us? Could there be a different kid we are focusing on?

I'm not questioning whether the kid is good or not. I'm questioning whether we as fans are privy to what our staff has already decided on him.

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Originally Posted by DanDority

We got a shot, I just saw on 247 he is being recruited by Tony Hughes for us.

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A coach at another school recruiting for US? weird, no?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) Where did we finish that season? I recall losing to Alabama, Ole Miss, and the Orange Bowl. Should we have been happy with the baseball program for being number one in 2006 and then finishing a three seed too?

2) Problem with your theory is not all of the players we miss out on lack work ethic. And not everyone that has recruiting drama lacks work ethic either- see Richie Brown and Chris Jones. We're missing out on talented guys and saying we didn't want them because they didn't fit our program is a cop out from Dan.

3) I'm not arguing that. I've said Ole Miss had the exact opposite problem as we did. How would our team have been with Tunsil, Treadwell, Nkemdiche, and Conner? Better and they would have likely ended up better players. Treadwell would know more than two routes for sure. They need more character guys. We need more raw talent.

4) Combonation of both IMO culminating with some injuries and an Egg Bowl beat down which I expect to linger into next season.

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1) are you really saying you were not happy with the 2014 season? Really?

2) Chris jones was the definition of talented with an iffy work ethic. David turner told you that for 3 years.

3) agreed

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Todd, is it possible that the staff has evaluated the young man and he isn't a priority? I know for a fact that the criteria the staff used is nothing at all like what recruiting services use. Why must we assume that the 4 stars and the rating by the CL is justification to make him a priority for us? Could there be a different kid we are focusing on?

I'm not questioning whether the kid is good or not. I'm questioning whether we as fans are privy to what our staff has already decided on him.

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Don't bother with logic. Todd is smarter than the winningest coach in Mississippi State history. The only reason why he isn't making $4 million a year himself is because he loves Elitedawgs so much.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Don't bother with logic. Todd is smarter than the winningest coach in Mississippi State history. The only reason why he isn't making $4 million a year himself is because he loves Elitedawgs so much.

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Hmmm ... I sense a disturbance in the Force. You too could be the type of fan that just loves being mediocre. **

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

Hmmm ... I sense a disturbance in the Force. You too could be the type of fan that just loves being mediocre. **

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This is a Star Trek issue not Star Wars. I'm appealing to logic like a Romulan.


It's totally illogical what Todd is saying. He is assuming that our coaching staff is not doing everything in their power to get the best players on their team. THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!! If Mullen isn't pursuing a player it's either because he doesn't think that player will benefit State, it isn't worth the time (or financial) investment, or the player just doesn't want to come to State.

And check my history I'm as bullish about winning as anyone but I'm also practical.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Todd, is it possible that the staff has evaluated the young man and he isn't a priority? I know for a fact that the criteria the staff used is nothing at all like what recruiting services use. Why must we assume that the 4 stars and the rating by the CL is justification to make him a priority for us? Could there be a different kid we are focusing on?

I'm not questioning whether the kid is good or not. I'm questioning whether we as fans are privy to what our staff has already decided on him.

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I'm not questioning whether we want DD Bowie or not. I'm talking about missing out on some of the bigger recruits in Mississippi in general as well as the o-line and special teams recruiting.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

1) are you really saying you were not happy with the 2014 season? Really?

2) Chris jones was the definition of talented with an iffy work ethic. David turner told you that for 3 years.

3) agreed

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1) No. I'm saying I wasn't happy with the finish of the 2014 season. Because ultimately that's what matters. Making the BCS final four and then going to the Sugar Bowl would have been huge for our program and we blew it two years in a row. Even worse we blew 2014 doing that stupid 1A/1B bullcrap. Excuse me for not being happy about that.

2) Who cares what David Turner told me? Chris Jones is successful in the NFL so his work ethic isn't that bad.

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

Hmmm ... I sense a disturbance in the Force. You too could be the type of fan that just loves being mediocre. **

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The only time I see your dumbass over here is when you post something about me. When you aren't on sixpack posting something about me. Not sure what the obsession is about?

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Don't bother with logic. Todd is smarter than the winningest coach in Mississippi State history. The only reason why he isn't making $4 million a year himself is because he loves Elitedawgs so much.

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Allyn McKeen made 4 million a year in 1941? I'm smart enough to not start a 150 pound running back and try to run him up the middle ad nauseum but so is pretty much everyone else on the board. And smart enough to not start a kicker with a bad back.

I don't say anything else on here that hasn't been posted before by someone else.

He's not going anywhere but OM. And I really don't think I want him anyway. Trouble will be following him.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

This is a Star Trek issue not Star Wars. I'm appealing to logic like a Romulan.


It's totally illogical what Todd is saying. He is assuming that our coaching staff is not doing everything in their power to get the best players on their team. THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!! If Mullen isn't pursuing a player it's either because he doesn't think that player will benefit State, it isn't worth the time (or financial) investment, or the player just doesn't want to come to State.

And check my history I'm as bullish about winning as anyone but I'm also practical.

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The fact of the matter is some members on our staff are lazy when it comes to recruiting. That's all I'm saying about our coaching staff. Nowhere have I said that the coaches don't want the best players.

I am saying that sometimes when they don't get the best players that's when they start with the copouts like "we didn't want him any way because..."

I am saying that they should improve getting some of the better in state talent to MSU. You can be doing everything in your power to do anything and still have room for improvement.

You are basically saying that the services are always wrong if we don't get an in state player that they rank high essentially and our coaches are always right. That's way more illogical than what I am saying because you are essentially saying our coaches never miss on anyone that they want. It's also been proven to be wrong because we've certainly missed on Jonnas Spivey and Brandon Wells.

You are practically saying we can't do any better in recruiting than we are and that is simply incorrect.

What doesn't make any sense to me is that we are the only program in the SEC that has fans that defend their laziness. It wouldn't be put up with anywhere else in the SEC. We can talk about being number one two years ago- the fact of the matter now is we are 6-7. We can and should be better than that.