Are People Afraid to Fire Dan for the Same Reasons as Stansbury?

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10-08-2016, 10:49 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

I'm with you on this and it really pisses me off. For the past 25 years at least of my life, since I've been married for 18 years, our two kids, Fall Saturdays have always been scheduled around State football. Had season tickets for 16 years until two years ago. But the last couple years I really couldn't give a shit anymore. When Mullen is gone I'm back in 100%. I can't believe I wasted the morning today on that first half. Should have been downtown for cruisin on the coast but watched that garbage instead. Won't happen anymore.

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird
10-08-2016, 10:52 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird

Haha
10-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Noxdog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird

Thought the same thing. Oh, well.
10-08-2016, 10:54 PM
Coach007

Not me. I think common sense is needed. I wasn't expecting us to be this bad, but knew it would not be great.

He gets a year IMO. But he has to show major improvement next year!
10-08-2016, 10:58 PM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird

Yes because this stuff we do is not football. When he was finally forced to use Josh Robinson because Perkins was gone we finally picked up. But that was dictated by Perkins being gone. Mullen's flaws are incredibly obvious. I have enjoyed the results but our football was bad last year and this year. I think croom was so bad that anything was better but Mullen has major issues with calling a game.
10-08-2016, 11:00 PM
scottycameron

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Originally Posted by Coach

Not me. I think common sense is needed. I wasn't expecting us to be this bad, but knew it would not be great.

He gets a year IMO. But he has to show major improvement next year!

If the epic eggbowl beat down that I think is going to happen happens then it may be a moot point.
10-08-2016, 11:07 PM
the59dawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Not for me. We just came off of 19 wins in two seasons. He has earned the chance for another year. Yall can say what you want, you can bitch all you want and you can order some cheese but unless Mullen leaves on his own accord he will be our coach next year so relax and hope they can pull things together and if you are one of those who are hoping we lose so he will be fired you are making this board really suck.

This. We were rated last in SEC W for a reason starting with Dak gone.
10-08-2016, 11:08 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

All good things come to an end. Mullen doesn't want to be here anymore and we want a new coach. Let's part ways without the break up sex and get someone who wants to be here. He doesn't care anymore

My thoughts as well (minus the break up sex part).
10-08-2016, 11:11 PM
ScoobaDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird

Not really. We have come to expect more. I can't speak for timber but I suffered through the good and bad because I was younger. Same with Croom. I was in school at the time so I was super dedicated. Mullen came in and lifted our expectations to the level some of us always thought we should be at (bowling every year and win the egg) Now we have a coach who is only here because of a paycheck.

Like I said. I will record the games. I will watch them. I will participate in the board and stay passionate about MSU. but I'm not going to let it control my world. Mullen doesn't care and the results on the field show. So I'm changing my level of how much I will let MSU football rule my world.

And that sure doesn't make me a bandwagon fan either.
10-08-2016, 11:17 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Not really. We have come to expect more. I can't speak for timber but I suffered through the good and bad because I was younger. Same with Croom. I was in school at the time so I was super dedicated. Mullen came in and lifted our expectations to the level some of us always thought we should be at (bowling every year and win the egg) Now we have a coach who is only here because of a paycheck.

Like I said. I will record the games. I will watch them. I will participate in the board and stay passionate about MSU. but I'm not going to let it control my world. Mullen doesn't care and the results on the field show. So I'm changing my level of how much I will let MSU football rule my world.

And that sure doesn't make me a bandwagon fan either.

The last 2 seasons we were 10-3 and 9-4. Not really sure why that would be the straw that broke the camel's back after suffering thru some absolute train wrecks the previous 14 seasons. Now this year would certainly turn someone off, but you'd be hard pressed to find many better 2 year periods in our history than the previous 2
10-08-2016, 11:17 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by TheRef

Simple question: Are your casual fans afraid to fire Dan for the same reason they were afraid to fire Stansbury when it was obvious he needed to go?

My take? Yupp.

"casual fan" and "MSU fan" does not compute....

it's binary, no?
10-08-2016, 11:35 PM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last 2 seasons we were 10-3 and 9-4. Not really sure why that would be the straw that broke the camel's back after suffering thru some absolute train wrecks the previous 14 seasons. Now this year would certainly turn someone off, but you'd be hard pressed to find many better 2 year periods in our history than the previous 2

Have you actually watched us play football the last few years? Not stats, eyes on the game? Mullen could actually be one of the best coaches in the country if he could get out of his own way. The difference in me and you is that you think he can and I know he can't. I don't know what you are seeing but this stuff is over, he is too stubborn to be a head coach long term. Something is wrong with the man.
10-08-2016, 11:36 PM
ScoobaDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last 2 seasons we were 10-3 and 9-4. Not really sure why that would be the straw that broke the camel's back after suffering thru some absolute train wrecks the previous 14 seasons. Now this year would certainly turn someone off, but you'd be hard pressed to find many better 2 year periods in our history than the previous 2

The last two years magnified the problems. The records were awesome. The rise to #1..awesome. The lack of imaginative game plan against Alabama and TSUN and then the offseason trying to find any other job just ruined it for me.
Mullen promised to elevate the program. He did. He is no longer meeting that standard and is going down in a blaze of horror.
10-08-2016, 11:37 PM
ScoobaDawg

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Originally Posted by TUSK

"casual fan" and "MSU fan" does not compute....

it's binary, no?

This is truth... to be a MSU fan is not casual. No matter what it is hard even in the good because we can't reach the top it seems. Tusk would know about casual fans
10-08-2016, 11:38 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TheRef

Simple question: Are your casual fans afraid to fire Dan for the same reason they were afraid to fire Stansbury when it was obvious he needed to go?

My take? Yupp.

No. Stans had not done anything that hadn't been done here by his immediate predecessor. Dan has FAR exceeded what his had done. Both have/had done a lot better than the average for their particular program though. No matte what/who the program, when you do that the odds aren't in your favor for bettering that average with the next hire. We have probably beaten those odds more than most, but only because our average historically has absolutely sucked.
10-08-2016, 11:46 PM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Have you actually watched us play football the last few years? Not stats, eyes on the game? Mullen could actually be one of the best coaches in the country if he could get out of his own way. The difference in me and you is that you think he can and I know he can't. I don't know what you are seeing but this stuff is over, he is too stubborn to be a head coach long term. Something is wrong with the man.

You must spread some reputation around yada yada yada
10-08-2016, 11:47 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think it comes down to fear of change more than anything. ?We might screw it up!? We screwed Stansbury?s replacement up too- but now look where we are. We have one of the best basketball coaches in the country. If by chance we screw it up, it?s not the end of the world. It?s a job. We?re not bound to anybody.
Personally I think we have a good chance of getting it right. I think it?s ridiculous to keep a failing head coach because the next guy might not be as good. There?s also a chance the next guy could be the best we?ve ever had and could be Nick Saban 2.0. There?s no way to know. Keeping a failing coach often times leads to more failing.

I?ve also seen MSU fans mention ?we can?t fire Dan because that would be like Ole Miss firing Cutcliffe?. My guess is maybe we have fans that are afraid it will turn out like Orgeron, that Ole Miss fans will make fun of us, and that Dan will go on and become a well-respected coach somewhere else. First of all, Cutcliffe never lost to a team like South Alabama that I can recall. Second of all we shouldn?t care what Ole Miss fans or the media say about us because they don?t have our best interests at heart. If Dan goes on to do well somewhere else, I say wish him well. He had his time here and then like all things that time ended and it was time for both of us to go in different directions. At least they can?t say that we?re a ?coaches graveyard? if that happens and again who cares anyway? We need to do whatever is best for us and having 2-3 losing seasons in a row so Ole Miss fans and the media can?t play the Cutcliffe card IS NOT what?s best for us.

My biggest fear right now is that we won?t be taking advantage of Ole Miss?s probation because we?re being too patient Mississippi State making the same mistake by holding on to a coach too long while recruiting suffers for another year and then we have to rebuild ourselves.

This offseason would be a great time to change because Ole Miss won?t be on probation until the summer. That will give a potential new coach a year to get things established and then fully take advantage of their situation while they down. Personally, don?t think Dan would take advantage of their situation and certainly not to the fullest extent.

YeP, firing the coach and starting over at the same time they are is absolutely THE way to take advantage of their troubles. Why in the heck do you think that all but ONE of the Mullen to wherever rumors started with UM owned or controlled sources last year? They freaking own us when it comes to this crap. We fall for it every freaking time. We are dumb as posts. Notice I said "we" in all of that.
10-08-2016, 11:49 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TimberBeast

Have you actually watched us play football the last few years? Not stats, eyes on the game? Mullen could actually be one of the best coaches in the country if he could get out of his own way. The difference in me and you is that you think he can and I know he can't. I don't know what you are seeing but this stuff is over, he is too stubborn to be a head coach long term. Something is wrong with the man.

You mean the best two back to back years in school history?
10-08-2016, 11:52 PM
TimberBeast

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You mean the best two back to back years in school history?

Yes, those two which lead us to today in year 8.
10-08-2016, 11:58 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You've had season tickets for 16 years and the previous 2 seasons have turned you off? Weird

Ain't it though? The best two back to back seasons in school history and the ONLY one where we were ever ranked #1 in the country turned him off. That's mighty interesting, or actually revealing.

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