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Good lord are you really that stupid? Croom was obviously in over his head, even the year we won. I cheered that firing, and every one we have made in my lifetime in football. It was time for JWS to move in too. Mullen has proven he can win here, and over the long haul. That's something we haven't had since WWII. I don't want to throw that away lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Your opinion isn't the only one. I might be going against the grain here, but I ain't a Lone Ranger, not by a long shot. Free speech works both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Liverpool has no clue that HE is "poor ole MSU". It's hilarious watching him call everyone else "Old MSU", when the only one wanting to repeat MSU status quo is HIM. Ha, wake up man. And quit acting like being 52 and being able to attend more games than others makes you one of the 3 wise men. You aren't some founding father with the keys to life success.
I don't want Dan fired as of right now, but your blind obsession with him is weird status
Liverpool once again you need to stop. You've got to be choking on the dirt you keep shoveling on yourself with this one. Just brutal.
The first signs of a real problem are denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
We are paying top 20 money and aren't getting too 20 results in any area. For anyone over the age of 13, that should seem like a no brainier. But we are talking about the US of A here and the dumbing down of society over the last 5 decades.
ETA. Not to mention trying to hitch his wagon to any train not in Starkville each of the last two off seasons. And then trying to come in and demand $5mil Plus for himself and $500k each for Hevesy and Gonzo! Let that shut sink in. Dan is so out of F*cking touch he comes in and demands a raise for himself and our worst assistant after his second consecutive offseason looking for a ticket out or Starkville. Dan thinks Hevesy should be the 6th highest paid offensive line coach in all of college f*cking football. That's a fireabke offense in itself.
Blind obsession? Hardly. He is far from perfect and there is a ton of stuff he does I disagree with. That being said I'm smart enough to know I don't know everything. what I do know is all we have ever don, except for one time under JWS, is fire and hire. The only time we did what I'm advocating we wound up winning more than we had since the 40s. I'd like to try it again. Y'all want to do what poor old whooped down MSU has always done, take the easy way out. I expect we will do it again. We won't ever change. Ole Miss will get a pass despite their troubles because we will go hire Kyle Whittingham or whoever and have to start over in recruiting as well. This is a historic opportunity and we are going to do what we have always done and blow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
So what's new about what you want to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
I think you are confusing when I or others have brought up Beamer in certain instances as you stay with a coach for a long time for the sake of it. That can't be further from the truth. There are criteria and situations that at the END of the season we may have to part ways with Mullen but the idea you use one game or even one season drop off (depending on how big the drop is) you automatically fire the coach is not the right answer either. Beamer and other coaches have been brought up recently because many have stated that coaches who lose to an inferior opponent or only win X number of games in season 8 or have a losing season, etc. have never turned it around. It's not true as many have accomplished such feats and have gone on to have a lot of success. Right now Dan has won approximately +.120 points higher than our schools historic average. For reference Saban is winning at .132 above Bama's average and .100 above LSU's avg while he was there. You just don't fire a coach that has won that much higher than your average until it is proven he has flattened (Mark Richt), have 2 losing seasons, or have one season of 2 wins or less, you can fire immediately in that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDog58
Im not arguing with you. Youre wrong and won't be right ever on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Im not arguing with you. Youre wrong and won't be right ever on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
So what's new about what you want? I want to try something different. You don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
New? You act like we have been firing coaches every 3-4 years. Your "do something new" isn't anything new. We don't fire people until it's too late, every time in every sport. You have no ****ing clue what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I really don't understand how he's missing this. Can you have Alzheimer's at 52?Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
3 coaches in last 25 yrs.
Felker coached 4 yrs that he never should have. Was horrible.
Bellard quit. Shira quit. Tyler NCAA. Davis stunk. Walker stunk. Royal moved up. Warmath moved up. Murray stunk. Your boy mckeen had a great 9 year run and never coached again.
So when in the holy ****ing hell have we been shit-canning guys left and right? Guys that actually should have been hired not the shitbags that didn't deserve to ever be head coaches. You can't because your stance is totally ****ing ignorant and infinitely stupid.
I know you were old enough to attend the games but I chose not to go back past 1900 and 30 ****ing 8.
I pretty much agree. I think looking back JWS had 2 years too long. At the time, while there was real concern honestly it was probably one year too long. He built up enough to have that one bad year since he had proven he could rebound and have good years following a down year. But 2 in a row shouldn't have earned a 3rd year. I do think the NCAA investigation really hurt in being able to find even a transition coach. At the time that was probably the thinking. We now know the change was going to be bad no matter what and we should have pulled the trigger at least 1 if not 2 years sooner. We do have to also consider the era that schools normally gave coaches at least 2-3 years regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Holy Cow! I started this thread to ask if people thought Stricklin's decision to go to FL would be made easier by our FB team. It was never intended to be a get rid of Mullen thread.
Serious question. Do you want to keep Mullen and not make any stipulations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I agree a coach needs support from fans, BUT if fans give complete support what happens when the coach feels as if he is untouchable?
Do you believe we should make Mullen fire any coaches at the end of the season? How long should we give him if we do miss a bowl game this year?
Again, genuinely asking to see your point of view.
We havent been firing coaches too early and they moved on to greater things after us, Liverpool is a nut case
I already answered why we haven't honored McKeen. I think he probably should be. Why don't you take that up with Scott or the next AD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I know why McKeen left- our fans wanted him to run a different offense and infighting ensued between the agriculture people and the engineering people. I don't know nor do I care what Royal said- that was in the 50's and the McKeen stuff was in the 40's and not relevant anymore. I know it wasn't bad enough that Royal's own coordinator wasn't unwilling to return in Shira. We've moved past that era a LOOOOOONNNNGGG time ago and you are the only State fan that seems to be holding on to it. Heck, we moved past that during the Tyler era when we won 9 games in 74 and then again in 76. We also weren't offering a coach 4 million a year or whatever the equivalent was in the 40's-50's and we have way more support and infinitely better facilities. Closing in Davis Wade was never a realistic thought in the 50's and now it's basically a question of when not if now.
Why don't you answer which coach we have fired too soon since 1955?
I disagree just because you have to look at the entire picture and yes, wins and losses are part of that and the biggest part of that. I think you have to look at recruiting, I think you have to look at why the program declined and determine after that year whether it is likely to be turned around based on the actions of the coach or not, you have to look at what the coaches plan is to turn the program around, and I think in our case you have to look at how the coach views the program in terms of is he giving relentless effort or does he seem burned out? Is he constantly trying to leave the program indicating that he may not really want to be here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
It's not just one thing and I think it's a case by case basis. I don't think it's a "you get two years or else" thing.