David Murray on OOB

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Murray says Mullen has earned the right to have a down season after 8 years without a bad loss and even if this season tanks, he won't be fired. He says that we don't have the money to buy him out because the SEC money has already been committed. The only way Mullen leaves after this year is if someone comes in and offers him a better job.

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I remember these posts in 2008 when everyone was saying that you can't fire the reigning SEC coach of the year. Get back to me if we go 4-8 and the bears beat us by 30.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I disagree on the buyout. It can be done if needed. Murray is speculating there and he's wrong.

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I questioned it before Murray ruled it out. Now I believe it's in play lol. David Murray's articles are unlike anything I've ever read.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

I questioned it before Murray ruled it out. Now I believe it's in play lol. David Murray's articles are unlike anything I've ever read.

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The buyout is not the problem. If we fire Mullen after one losing season we risk setting the program back even further. Look no further than OM firing Cutcliffe after 1 losing season post Eli. You are sending the wrong message to potential coaches out there. Ever wonder why OM had to settle on Orgeron? Because Cutcliffe deserved another season to try and right the ship and everyone realized that but OM. Everyone knew it was going to be a down year after Eli. If they had given Cutcliffe another year and he failed, they would've had an easier time cutting him loose and finding a better replacement.

If we have a losing season and Mullen is bought out, they better have a better guy lined up. Otherwise we get our Orgeron and we are looking at a 5 year rebuild minimum. A lot of fans, coaches, media outside of our fanbase believe Mullen has overachieved here. We believe he has only scratched the surface. But I guarantee you that we will have trouble finding a better coach than what we have if we fire the guy that has led MSU to the best run in school history after one losing season.

So if it's done, the administration better have "the guy" ready to sign the dotted line because a lengthy coaching search will not turn out well.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Murray says Mullen has earned the right to have a down season after 8 years without a bad loss and even if this season tanks, he won't be fired. He says that we don't have the money to buy him out because the SEC money has already been committed. The only way Mullen leaves after this year is if someone comes in and offers him a better job.

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I keep telling you all this.

1- Nobody with power will force him out due to

a- #1 for 5 weeks straight for the 1st time ever.
b- taking an unknown QB, training him. That QB setting records and now as a starter at Dallas in his first year.
c- it being the first year with that leadership gone.

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Originally Posted by civildawg

What are you talking about? The baseball stadium renovation will start after this season.

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What he is talking about is your horse's mouth isn't being truthful!

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

What the hell happened in the off season that you keep referring to??

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

What the hell happened in the off season that you keep referring to??

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Cliff notes: he made every attempt to leave, he was either not wanted or passed up. After making every attempt to leave he came back to our admin and demanded outrageous raises for himself, Hev and another assistant, none of which deserved it. He wanted to make Hev 6th highest paid OL coach in college football. Keenum laughed and didn't extend contract after dans antics for 2nd straight year. They didn't cave to his demands for first time since being here and he's been pouting ever since, going through the motions. Indignant to believe it but was slapped in the face by reality by what I sat and baked through saturday.

Hevesy isn't even the 6th best Ol coach in Mississippi and or HC wanted him to get 6th national money. Let this shit sink in. It's all about Dan and his buddies at the moment and they are all pouting. Time to cut bait

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Cliff notes: he made every attempt to leave, he was either not wanted or passed up. After making every attempt to leave he came back to our admin and demanded outrageous raises for himself, Hev and another assistant, none of which deserved it. He wanted to make Hev 6th highest paid OL coach in college football. Keenum laughed and didn't extend contract after dans antics for 2nd straight year. They didn't cave to his demands for first time since being here and he's been pouting ever since, going through the motions. Indignant to believe it but was slapped in the face by reality by what I sat and baked through saturday.

Hevesy isn't even the 6th best Ol coach in Mississippi and or HC wanted him to get 6th national money. Let this shit sink in. It's all about Dan and his buddies at the moment and they are all pouting. Time to cut bait

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Whether intentional or not Mullen is basically holding the program hostage at this point. He has the administration by the balls. If he leaves on his own, he is leaving a lot of money on the table and he is going to take a pay cut. It's not that nobody wants him. Nobody is willing to pay him close to what he makes here. So why leave on his own will?

If he's unhappy and wants out then why not do just enough to get by? Earn the remaining money on his contract and then take the pay cut at the school of his choice. He is simply maximizing his earnings given his options.

So he tanks and we fire him? He gets a nice payout and walks away laughing because he knows the fallout there will be trying to replace the "most successful coach in school history" who MSU just fired.

Mullen is not dumb.

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

The buyout is not the problem. If we fire Mullen after one losing season we risk setting the program back even further. Look no further than OM firing Cutcliffe after 1 losing season post Eli. You are sending the wrong message to potential coaches out there. Ever wonder why OM had to settle on Orgeron? Because Cutcliffe deserved another season to try and right the ship and everyone realized that but OM. Everyone knew it was going to be a down year after Eli. If they had given Cutcliffe another year and he failed, they would've had an easier time cutting him loose and finding a better replacement.

If we have a losing season and Mullen is bought out, they better have a better guy lined up. Otherwise we get our Orgeron and we are looking at a 5 year rebuild minimum. A lot of fans, coaches, media outside of our fanbase believe Mullen has overachieved here. We believe he has only scratched the surface. But I guarantee you that we will have trouble finding a better coach than what we have if we fire the guy that has led MSU to the best run in school history after one losing season.

So if it's done, the administration better have "the guy" ready to sign the dotted line because a lengthy coaching search will not turn out well.

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I agree that if a move is made- "the guy" better be ready to sign. We just did this in basketball. Looks like we learned our lesson after Stands

I disagree this is a Cut situation. This is more of a Houston Nutt type situation. Coaches look apathetic, more suspensions and arrests starting to surface, glaring holes in recruiting, etc.

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

Whether intentional or not Mullen is basically holding the program hostage at this point. He has the administration by the balls. If he leaves on his own, he is leaving a lot of money on the table and he is going to take a pay cut. It's not that nobody wants him. Nobody is willing to pay him close to what he makes here. So why leave on his own will?

If he's unhappy and wants out then why not do just enough to get by? Earn the remaining money on his contract and then take the pay cut at the school of his choice. He is simply maximizing his earnings given his options.

So he tanks and we fire him? He gets a nice payout and walks away laughing because he knows the fallout there will be trying to replace the "most successful coach in school history" who MSU just fired.

Mullen is not dumb.

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Completely agree and that's why I'm scared. edited to add: he knows he can tank and be fired and get another chance somewhere. Plenty of others have. Rich Rod, Tubberville, etc. He's essentially holding the cards now and there's nothing we can do but basically get down and beg him to start trying again. Doesn't exactly give you the warm and fuzzies does it?

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

Whether intentional or not Mullen is basically holding the program hostage at this point. He has the administration by the balls. If he leaves on his own, he is leaving a lot of money on the table and he is going to take a pay cut. It's not that nobody wants him. Nobody is willing to pay him close to what he makes here. So why leave on his own will?

If he's unhappy and wants out then why not do just enough to get by? Earn the remaining money on his contract and then take the pay cut at the school of his choice. He is simply maximizing his earnings given his options.

So he tanks and we fire him? He gets a nice payout and walks away laughing because he knows the fallout there will be trying to replace the "most successful coach in school history" who MSU just fired.

Mullen is not dumb.

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Oh, he's the winner in this no doubt. Getting fired will be a huge blow to his ego, but he'd walk away with a boat load of money thanks mostly to a young man named Dak Prescott.

If I 100% believed he wanted to be here long term and he'd quit playing games, I'd love to see him be our Frank Beamer. But this "courting other opportunities" bullshit has to end. It's an incredible road block down the stretch in recruiting and all the time that prospects spend thinking about MSU are spent wondering if the head coach is going to be there for much longer. Meanwhile, TSUN is partying like rock stars and handing out loaner cars while Freeze tells momma how Christ, through his football program, is going to change her son's life.

They go into December holding a bazooka. We go into December hoping we will still have someone hold a gun come January. It's a disastrous disadvantage and Dan has allowed it to play out MULTIPLE times. It's hurting our talent level and it has to stop.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Oh, he's the winner in this no doubt. Getting fired will be a huge blow to his ego, but he'd walk away with a boat load of money thanks mostly to a young man named Dak Prescott.

If I 100% believed he wanted to be here long term and he'd quit playing games, I'd love to see him be our Frank Beamer. But this "courting other opportunities" bullshit has to end. It's an incredible road block down the stretch in recruiting and all the time that prospects spend thinking about MSU are spent wondering if the head coach is going to be there for much longer. Meanwhile, TSUN is partying like rock stars and handing out loaner cars while Freeze tells momma how Christ, through his football program, is going to change her son's life.

They go into December holding a bazooka. We go into December hoping we will still have someone hold a gun come January. It's a disastrous disadvantage and Dan has allowed it to play out MULTIPLE times. It's hurting our talent level and it has to stop.

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You don't think OM's recruiting tactics have out Mullen in an unfair position? After all, om is in deep crap with the NCAA

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You don't think OM's recruiting tactics have out Mullen in an unfair position? After all, om is in deep crap with the NCAA

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Yes. I do. But that doesn't discount his own actions that are hurting recruiting as well. You can add John Hevesy to the list of poor recruiting decisions too.

I don't really think we should compare our recruiting to OM's, but we battle them for the cream of the crop in state every year. We're not beating LSU or Bama or Auburn or A&M for a recruit either.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You don't think OM's recruiting tactics have out Mullen in an unfair position? After all, om is in deep crap with the NCAA

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I wonder if UNM doing what they are doing has Mullen just saying f%^k it in recruiting and he will get some developmental players that want to put in the work. It is embarrassing that we can't even get an Olineman with SEC talent to come play under Hev. TBuck was here a month and signed close to the best Olineman we have gotten in the last 7 or so years. Mullen is a good to great coach if he gets his head out of his ass. It would help to get rid of Hev and Sallach also, maybe Knox.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Yes. I do. But that doesn't discount his own actions that are hurting recruiting as well. You can add John Hevesy to the list of poor recruiting decisions too.

I don't really think we should compare our recruiting to OM's, but we battle them for the cream of the crop in state every year. We're not beating LSU or Bama or Auburn or A&M for a recruit either.

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You are going to see a change in some staff positions this year. Sallach is coming off and Peterson is going to coach te's. This will allow us to have a 4th offensive recruiter and we won't have to count John as one of them.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

You are going to see a change in some staff positions this year. Sallach is coming off and Peterson is going to coach te's. This will allow us to have a 4th offensive recruiter and we won't have to count John as one of them.

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Don't you tease us....Bookmarked

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

You are going to see a change in some staff positions this year. Sallach is coming off and Peterson is going to coach te's. This will allow us to have a 4th offensive recruiter and we won't have to count John as one of them.

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This makes perfect sense to me. I always wondered why the best HS coach in Mississippi would leave for an office job unless he was promised a path to the field

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Right. I don't understand some folks math on here.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Exactly. It's around 6-7 million come December- not 12. 2 years left after this season

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No one understands what 4.275 million times 2.5 years is? It aint March. My post said if we fired him TODAY we'd owe him roughly 12 million.

And 4.275 million x's 2.5 years is not between 6-7 million. It's not even close. The buyout pays 1:1 according to the terms. Point remains.

Edited: His contract doesnt end until March 1, 2019. Built-in raises are automatic each year since March 2015. We will pay him more money in 2017 and 2018 than we paid him in 2015 and 2016. He makes $4.275 million average per year for the 4 year duration of the contract. So by my calculation, if we fired him TODAY, we'd owe him $10.6875 million to go away.

What am I missing with my math?

I thin this is Murray trying to cause some damage control. By saying "Dan's not going anywhere" I think MSU is hoping that some of our fans decide "well, we'll just support him anyway then because we might as well". The problem is this isn't 1989.

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

The buyout is not the problem. If we fire Mullen after one losing season we risk setting the program back even further. Look no further than OM firing Cutcliffe after 1 losing season post Eli. You are sending the wrong message to potential coaches out there. Ever wonder why OM had to settle on Orgeron? Because Cutcliffe deserved another season to try and right the ship and everyone realized that but OM. Everyone knew it was going to be a down year after Eli. If they had given Cutcliffe another year and he failed, they would've had an easier time cutting him loose and finding a better replacement.

If we have a losing season and Mullen is bought out, they better have a better guy lined up. Otherwise we get our Orgeron and we are looking at a 5 year rebuild minimum. A lot of fans, coaches, media outside of our fanbase believe Mullen has overachieved here. We believe he has only scratched the surface. But I guarantee you that we will have trouble finding a better coach than what we have if we fire the guy that has led MSU to the best run in school history after one losing season.

So if it's done, the administration better have "the guy" ready to sign the dotted line because a lengthy coaching search will not turn out well.

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Ole Miss also thought that they would replace Cutcliffe with Dennis Erickson and they are racist. We need to stop looking at other schools screw ups and assuming that the same thing will play out here when we do make a coaching change.