Soooo....the burner phones are becoming a big issue

With burners they would still need to be very clever if they were ever investigated for this. The coaches would still need to call their home or legit cells to show a record of calls made to the recruit that was legit. The NCAA could still request their phone records and if there were not any calls from UM coaches that should raise some eyebrows. I honestly doubt any of those coaches are clever enough to make calls to their homes then call the burner too. Maybe the burner was used during the dead period or when calls were not allowed.

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Originally Posted by 7dawg

With burners they would still need to be very clever if they were ever investigated for this. The coaches would still need to call their home or legit cells to show a record of calls made to the recruit that was legit. The NCAA could still request their phone records and if there were not any calls from UM coaches that should raise some eyebrows. I honestly doubt any of those coaches are clever enough to make calls to their homes then call the burner too. Maybe the burner was used during the dead period or when calls were not allowed.

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I think talking to coaches is only about 20% of the reason for the burners.

Didn't Hugh get in trouble while an assistant for excessive contact with recruits? I could be dreaming this up...

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Didn't Hugh get in trouble while an assistant for excessive contact with recruits? I could be dreaming this up...

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2006. Couldn't contact Memphis croots for a couple of weeks after.

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Originally Posted by spbdawg

I believe AJ's phone was confiscated during class one day and the teacher redialed one of the incoming phone numbers on the burner phone......the other party answered and the teacher instantly recognized the other party as being associated with Ole Miss football.....I'm sure I read that story somewhere here.

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I've heard this as well but can't remember where or from who at this point. So much crap flying around. By the time the dust settles, some of it will be true, some of it will be false, some of it that's actually flase will appear to be true, and some of it that's actually true will appear to be false.

I can tell you with certainty that there is close to a 0% chance the NCAA gets this factually correct, but that won't stop them from pushing for sanctions. The NCAA findings report on state was badly flawed. Lots of stuff was incorrect and incomplete. Some of it was way off...

Some of the allegations in the NOA supposedly deal with some phone calls. Could be related

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Originally Posted by confucius say

If burner phones exist (have no idea if they do) and multiple recruits say they got them from om, that's all the evidence ncaa will need. This isn't a court of law. Kinda like if your wife finds you with a "wiped" burner phone given to you by another woman, good luck using the excuse that there is no evidence on it tying you to an affair.

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What keeps any school facing sanctions from pulling a Patriots Deflategate deal and having a court overrule sanctions? I'm just not familiar with the processes and can's and cant's

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

NCAA does not have subpoena powers. Also, the calls coming into those phones aren't going to be coming from Freezus's house. It'll be coming from another burner, bought in Memphis or somewhere else, that was laid for in cash. Burner to burner. All cash. No subpoena power.

They'll be able to get messages and testimonial evidence. OM's lawyers will challenge it and say it's hearsay and speculation and threaten to sue the ever living hell out of the NCAA if they assume it's a violation without proof and bring sanctions against the coaching staff. I think OM knows they're going on probation, they may know that they can't stop an LOIC, but they can probably fight a show cause on Freeze or maybe even other staff members.

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You know the NCAA does not have the same power as the legal folks but on the other hand they don't have the same innocent until proven guilty rules either. They can do pretty much what they want. They can believe what they want as well.

I know if I am getting burner phones for black op purposes, it would not be a smart phone with data and GPS capability. Voice and text only for the most basic phone.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

NCAA does not have subpoena powers.

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They don't need subpoena powers, they just need the person responsible for the account to cooperate. But I wasn't thinking about the fact that the recruit wouldn't actually have access to the account, he'd just have possession of the actual phone. Doubt that would be sufficient to get the company to show him the phone records to justify charges.

So the burner phones pose pretty much no more risk than giving cash. You can only get in trouble if recruits roll on you, which obviously very few recruits want to get into since they probably like getting the extra benefits.

Let's remember that the NCAA does to have to "prove" anything. If they "believe" someone is guilty and can charge them with something at cannot be disproven, then they can and will impose sanctions.

All of their fact finding is to help them determine how guilty someone is and who is most likely guilty. The thing about the UNM investigation that makes me think it will be bad for them is that they kept being blatant about their cheating while they were being investigated.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think talking to coaches is only about 20% of the reason for the burners.

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What other ways can you use burner phones? When you buy one can you register it under someone like a fake name or school? There is def smoke here if 3 recruits in 3 different states got one of these. I would think they could find out what store they were bought from Like Walmart in oxford or a certain cell phone store, they have to be in inventory

Remember Renardo. NCAA ruled him ineligible until his family turned over private financial records. They may not have subpoena power but they sure as hell have you can sit your ass on the bench until we get our way power.

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Originally Posted by Billy17

What other ways can you use burner phones? When you buy one can you register it under someone like a fake name or school? There is def smoke here if 3 recruits in 3 different states got one of these. I would think they could find out what store they were bought from Like Walmart in oxford or a certain cell phone store, they have to be in inventory

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I worked for a freight company several years ago and when a store got a shipment of say car stereos the Bill of lading had each serial number listed. That way if something was missing they could tell what item it is.. I cleared shipments through customs I know the serial number is on those forms and phones do have serial numbers. I know you can trace it to a location at least

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Remember Renardo. NCAA ruled him ineligible until his family turned over private financial records. They may not have subpoena power but they sure as hell have you can sit your ass on the bench until we get our way power.

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Yeah but with coaches and staff members it's different. Refusing to turn over information requested is automatic impeding and/or lying to investigators. That's Level 1 violations (no matter how minor the infraction they are asking about) and you bring show cause and termination into play. If they ask for phone records the staff has to produce them. They only way to get out from that is if they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't a number connected to them in any form. If you have multiple witnesses saying that number xyz was always picked up by abc staff member or booster, then the NCAA has to decide if that is credible enough to lay a charge of violations.

ETA. Here is a minor example. A staff member gave a kid a $100 gift card, per the player, that is a minor impermissible benefit. If the staffer refuses to produce a receipt or admit that they did so, then THAT could be a Level 1 major infraction. It's a minor violation but not cooperating makes it a major violation. And they will hammer a school or at least the staffer for that.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

You know the NCAA does not have the same power as the legal folks but on the other hand they don't have the same innocent until proven guilty rules either. They can do pretty much what they want. They can believe what they want as well.

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They've also shown many times that they operate on the Al Capone methodology, where if they can prove just a few things, they'll bust a program for a lot more that they only think they did.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...-man-interview

Anyone remember this?

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And buy burners. Lots of burners.

"It's the bat phone. Everybody has a bat phone. Buy some in a gas station out of town, use 'em for a while, toss 'em. The worst part was convincing my wife it wasn't so I could carry on an affair, because I wouldn't let her use it or see who I was talking to."

Burners are seasonal and used mostly around the height of recruiting season, when local bag men need to communicate quickly with other shadow boosters across the state and region higher up the fiscal chain. Later on they'll be used to communicate directly with active players. But calls are often made to a person's primary number, and in a pinch basic code-talking will suffice.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...-man-interview

Anyone remember this?

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well................when your own bagman a few years back gives the blueprint, don't think they (NCAA) won't start looking at it real hard and determine how to best attack their ways. getting taken down by their own egos and talking too much in the past. it's how it always happens



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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...-man-interview

Anyone remember this?

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And notice the author of the article.

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"It's a small group. If you grow up in the state, you end up knowing folks. It's really that simple. But that won't stop them from trying to bury your ass when it gets down to it. A few years back, we were fighting hard for a kid in their backyard. We went for a full year with the family, thought we had it wrapped up. Still thought we had it done the night before Signing Day. He liked our coaches. But the family keeps dragging it and dragging it. Late that night I get a call, and it's the player on the phone, the kid himself. You could tell he was nervous. He said, ‘Mr. [name], I talked to my mama, and we decided that $70,000 and we're going with you, if you can promise us $70,000 tonight.' I knew right away we were being recorded, and I knew the asshole down there who had set it up. I knew him personally. They had him. That part was done. But they wanted to get someone on tape to try and turn it over to the NCAA. So I said, 'Well gosh [player name], we'd love to see you here next season, but we just don't do that kind of thing.' Then I hung up."

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I always wondered who this was....this sounds like something Mullen would do. haha