You're a fool if you're calling for Mullen's head today

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Originally Posted by rbdog82

You'd be surprised. The topic was brought up in November.

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If so he has my vote...

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

BS! All Dan would have to do is emphatically deny the rumor and make a statement about how thrilled he is to be at MSU. But Dan doesn't do that. Dan seems to think it is in his best interest if he lets those rumors (true or not) circulate. Screw that! Strick and Dr. Keenum need to make it clear to Dan that shit ends NOW!

We pay that guy $4 million a year. We can damn sure require him to vociferously make it clear how much he likes it here and how he intends to stay.

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He has denied it every time he has been asked. He blew it off as the BS it was this time.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

As I said, most here will refuse to believe it.

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It doesn't freakin' matter what I believe. When MSU people and insiders are saying Mullen is ready to leave recruits WILL believe it. And that is what happened this year.

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

Come on mic. Saban at Alabama has lost 10 games in the 7 seasons Mullen has been here. LSU and OMU don't fair as well because we have beat them. Granted, we haven't been as close against UA as we have against LSU or as successful as we have against OMU, but we have not looked anything like "Churchill say.." days. On top of that we have not had a Maine game and lately, the last 2 years, we have destroyed opponents that used to be squeakers. We need more studs on the OL, we need better depth in a few positions, but you have to admit that the overall (overall) trend is positive.

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I didn't saying it was bad or good.. Everyone throws out 19 wins past 2 years and how bad it used to be and brings up the past.. So I revert to the past and say over the last 4 years this is the record..
Because how long can us beating Auburn 3 of 4 and Ark 4 of 4 last??? We slip up there then what?? 7 wins .. 6 wins.. And the non conference is about to get tougher.. No more 4-0 OOC locks..

We just can't #acceptaverage.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He has denied it every time he has been asked. He blew it off as the BS it was this time.

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Not true. He may have once, but it was well after tons of damage had been done, and probably after he knew he'd screwed-the-pooch. His usual response was something like, "I don't respond to these type rumors. They come every year." He might throw in a, "I like it here where I'm at", but he did not emphatically put an end to it, as he could have.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

As I said, most here will refuse to believe it.

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Were you headed to Gene's Page and just took a wrong turn?***

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

He has denied it every time he has been asked. He blew it off as the BS it was this time.

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This is/was the exact reason it was used against him. He was nonchalant about denying it and to any 17-18 year old kid, an opposing coach can easily use this and make it look like Dan is leaving or wants out. We cannot view these situations with logic from our perspectives and life experiences. these are impressionable, gullible and most time ignorant kids, by no fault of their own. Other coaches know how to use this impressionable, naive mentality to land consistently higher classes than we do.

This is where we as fans go wrong observing/evaluating our classes and where our coaches go wrong recruiting.

When is Dan's current contract up? Why not just restructure it to a heavily incentive based deal?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

As long as Football Scoop, Coaching Search, and the others like them exist his name will always be trotted out there every single year during recruiting season and there isn't anything you, Dan, or his agent can do about it. Some of us believe every troll job out there and help them spread it. Dan was contacted by one program, Miami, by phone. Miami initiated the contact. I know most of you refuse to believe that but from everything I can find out it's the truth.

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His name keeps getting trotted out because his agent keeps putting it out there. David shaw got a handful of mentions for jobs a few years ago, but he never gets more than a cursory mention these days, not because he sucks now but because he and his agent don't float his name for every opening. Freeze is the exact same. Gary Patterson rarely is considered a serious candidate for jobs. Art briles isn't rumored to be up for every job from Minnesota to Maryland to Miami to uga, and are you telling me they wouldn't love to have briles??

The point is there are lots of coaches that have had more consistent success than Mullen out there coaching at programs with similar or less cach? than we do, yet their names disappear from the coaching carousel faster than it appears. It ain't because of some media conspiracy against msu, it's because they tell their agents to pull their names as fast as they get mentioned.

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Originally Posted by mic

Well if so .. Our PR department is so quick to get into pissing contest and "No I'm not , Yes you are".. tweets about little bullshit stuff with these hacks, why not come out and blast them for putting this shit out there... And do it right away not days later..
Rip their ass, call them out, embarrass them, make them name sources, Ect.... Basically treat them like bitches.. And the shit will stop..

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I agree

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Originally Posted by dawgs

His name keeps getting trotted out because his agent keeps putting it out there. David shaw got a handful of mentions for jobs a few years ago, but he never gets more than a cursory mention these days, not because he sucks now but because he and his agent don't float his name for every opening. Freeze is the exact same. Gary Patterson rarely is considered a serious candidate for jobs. Art briles isn't rumored to be up for every job from Minnesota to Maryland to Miami to uga, and are you telling me they wouldn't love to have briles??

The point is there are lots of coaches that have had more consistent success than Mullen out there coaching at programs with similar or less cach? than we do, yet their names disappear from the coaching carousel faster than it appears. It ain't because of some media conspiracy against msu, it's because they tell their agents to pull their names as fast as they get mentioned.

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Then we need to stop blasting football scoop on here. Bc apparently it's not them making up stuff about our coaches leaving, it's our coaches' agents. Can't have it both ways

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

It doesn't freakin' matter what I believe. When MSU people and insiders are saying Mullen is ready to leave recruits WILL believe it. And that is what happened this year.

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What msu people and insiders did you read or hear say dan is ready to leave?

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

If you don't understand that the players we missed out on... will hurt us.. And that the Stars DO MATTER...
I can't help you.
Unless you are happy going to a bowl game every year But losing to Bama, LSU, and UM at least... EVERY YEAR.

Dan made the state a priority when he got hired...and the egg bowl. Then he experienced success and got cocky and hasn't kept that drive.


We got our asses kicked today. Yes there were some good things on the day.
But our weakness in the OL from a recruiting and coaching point... will be worse. because of today.

And no I'm not saying he should be fired today... But the actions of the day show the state of the program.

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Exactly

We can not lose out on players on our backyard like Lashley and Brown...

The Big 6..

Jones -State
Simmons - State
Brown - Northern Miss
Knott - Bama
Davis - Bama
Lashley - Bama

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Originally Posted by Bucky Dog

The problem is the group measuring themselves against OM and their cheating ways and numbers. Yes I want recruiting to get better but damn people!

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Well the problem isn't just that it's OM beating us, it's that everyone in the conference that we would like to compete with is kicking our asses. And OM is a very comparable program on top of being out rival, so when we sit here watching them sign a top 5 class for the 2nd time under freeze and being in the top 15 the other 2 years in between, then of course we are going to get pissed because why can't we sell a player on playing for us while OM can? If it's cheating, then we need to get better at cheating.

Mullen is a phenomal coach. We develop players better than most anyone and for the most part our offense can be lethal. But in year 7 we have two issues really:

1. Coaching Instability.

2. Recruiting.

Both can be fixed. But real steps are needed. I want to think that there is an emphasis on recruiting with our new hires. But damn we need to structure their contracts so we're not the revolving door of assistants. And Mullen has to do something about the real or perceived focus on job shopping. It's year 8 decide if you want to commit or if your 'mid-life' crisis was more than that.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Then we need to stop blasting football scoop on here. Bc apparently it's not them making up stuff about our coaches leaving, it's our coaches' agents. Can't have it both ways

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I've never called football scoop a liar and never blasted them for reporting what they have, at least not since some of mullen's early flirtations with programs like Minnesota, which at the time I thought was laughable. Most hot coaches have an offseason or 2 that they get floated around but most either take another job or eventually put a halt to the shit. How many coaches can you think of being linked to this many coaching searches over 6 or so years without taking one? I can't think of any others. Face it, Dan and only Dan can stop this shit but telling his agent to shut it down at the first phone call and he hasn't done that.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

As long as Football Scoop, Coaching Search, and the others like them exist his name will always be trotted out there every single year during recruiting season and there isn't anything you, Dan, or his agent can do about it. Some of us believe every troll job out there and help them spread it. Dan was contacted by one program, Miami, by phone. Miami initiated the contact. I know most of you refuse to believe that but from everything I can find out it's the truth.

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thats BS. Mullen talked to Georgia, Miami, and Maryland. And if the Georgia AD had gotten his way- Mullen would be the coach at Georgia. He got out voted

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Originally Posted by dawgs

His name keeps getting trotted out because his agent keeps putting it out there. David shaw got a handful of mentions for jobs a few years ago, but he never gets more than a cursory mention these days, not because he sucks now but because he and his agent don't float his name for every opening. Freeze is the exact same. Gary Patterson rarely is considered a serious candidate for jobs. Art briles isn't rumored to be up for every job from Minnesota to Maryland to Miami to uga, and are you telling me they wouldn't love to have briles??

The point is there are lots of coaches that have had more consistent success than Mullen out there coaching at programs with similar or less cach? than we do, yet their names disappear from the coaching carousel faster than it appears. It ain't because of some media conspiracy against msu, it's because they tell their agents to pull their names as fast as they get mentioned.

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This.....this....this...read this people- this is the deal 100%

So we got the best player in Mississippi and that's great. What the **** else? In comparison to the rest of the real programs in the sec. They get guys from all over. We recruit Mississippi, La, and Alabama hard, or what the staff considers hard. And we don't own any of it. This staff recruits on the level of a mountain west school and that may be insulting to the mountain west.

There are kids all over this damn country that want to play in the sec. Make some ****ing effort and go out and find them. Most other staffs are doing it so there is zero excuse.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

It doesn't freakin' matter what I believe. When MSU people and insiders are saying Mullen is ready to leave recruits WILL believe it. And that is what happened this year.

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Exactly.....MSU people never know when to shut up.