Is Coach O a realistic candidate?

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01-02-2016, 05:57 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'm normally on the "if O was a good DC he'd be a DC" train....but **** it....It's not like we didn't get torched by every competent offense we faced this year, so O probably won't do any worse. AND we will recruit better. Hell, give him a 1 year deal for $750k....if our defense sucks next year, fire him after he helps us finish this year's class & recruit next year's. What have we got to lose at this point? It's not like next year we're expecting 10 wins or wanting to send Dak off a winner. BRING ON DA WILDBOYS!!

He ain't coming for a one year deal.
01-02-2016, 06:03 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This is kind of how I feel as well.

I completely understand what Engie is saying & believe that what he is saying is correct 90+% of the time, but I think it may be time to take a risk. If it blows up, it blows up.

I just don't see this program being able to take the next step unless we improve our talent level & take some risks. The move would offer us immediate credibility on the recruiting trail & I actually think would the defense to play extremely hard and fast. Surround him with competent Xs & Os guys, & think it could work.

I'll trust Mullen on this because I don't think he'd hire a clueless Xs & Os guy. If he hires O, he believe there is something between the ears.

Typically the D recruiting has not been that bad, particularly the DL. Unless the new DC can recruit OL and RB's, how much will it help? Maybe he could recruit the D so well that it will force someone to do something about the OL.
01-02-2016, 06:03 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

He ain't coming for a one year deal.

Yea I know. Short as possible though
01-02-2016, 06:05 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Not the head coach....just the DC/Crootin Coordinator. Would actually make some sense. I don't agree with going 100% recruiting, & no development...but hiring O would give us a good mix u would think.

We're not talking player development here. That's not what a DC does. Playcalling. Adjusting. Scheming. A DC is a chess players. Does Coach O strike you as a chess player? What in his career gives you the impression that he's good at any of the 3 above? Why has he never done it?

Over half our fanbase is fully ready to mortgage our future and everything we've gained for a few more recruits on a hail mary that no other athletics administration in the country is willing to role the dice on is beyond comprehension for me. It's no guarantee it can't work -- but it's putting all of our money on snake eyes. It's the most Ole Miss thing ever. Except in the current tense they actually have a competent DC that they don't ask to recruit -- and instead surround him with recruiters that stockpile him with talent that he can make look awesome on Saturdays.

You don't mortgage the DC spot to recruit. I'm sorry -- you just don't. The coordinator opposite the head coach's background is the one position you've got to have competent x's and o's above all else. Moreover -- in the current SECW -- with our built-in disadvantages -- you need an x's and o's savant in that spot.

LSU is the #1 class in the country right now -- and Ogre is barely in the top 25 of recruiters. He's not the only elite recruiter in the country. But since our fans only apparently pay attention to us and Ole Miss -- they are totally obsessed with him. Hell, let's hire Frank Wilson for a million and make him defensive coordinator. Why not hire Brewster for the spot? I get that there's a difference there -- but it highlights my point.
01-02-2016, 06:06 PM
Todd4State

If Dan is going to insist on bend but don't break- and he will even if we hired Buddy Ryan- the ONLY way it will work is with elite talent. And O can get that for us.
01-02-2016, 06:06 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Typically the D recruiting has not been that bad, particularly the DL. Unless the new DC can recruit OL and RB's, how much will it help? Maybe he could recruit the D so well that it will force someone to do something about the OL.

It gonna take more than "not that bad" to get where we want to go.

Ole Miss & Alabama's defenses play at a different speed than ours. We need to get better.
01-02-2016, 06:07 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Typically the D recruiting has not been that bad, particularly the DL. Unless the new DC can recruit OL and RB's, how much will it help? Maybe he could recruit the D so well that it will force someone to do something about the OL.

He brought in Oher, Jerry, and Green-Ellis I believe.
01-02-2016, 06:08 PM
IMissJack

One thing is for sure, if we do not up assistant salaries and get some continuity from good coaches (all positions), it is going to be hard to build anything better.
01-02-2016, 06:13 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Dan is going to insist on bend but don't break- and he will even if we hired Buddy Ryan- the ONLY way it will work is with elite talent. And O can get that for us.

Did we not just set the school record for TFL?
01-02-2016, 06:19 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

We're not talking player development here. That's not what a DC does. Playcalling. Adjusting. Scheming. A DC is a chess players. Does Coach O strike you as a chess player? What in his career gives you the impression that he's good at any of the 3 above? Why has he never done it?

Over half our fanbase is fully ready to mortgage our future and everything we've gained for a few more recruits on a hail mary that no other athletics administration in the country is willing to role the dice on is beyond comprehension for me. It's no guarantee it can't work -- but it's putting all of our money on snake eyes. It's the most Ole Miss thing ever. Except in the current tense they actually have a competent DC that they don't ask to recruit -- and instead surround him with recruiters that stockpile him with talent that he can make look awesome on Saturdays.

You don't mortgage the DC spot to recruit. I'm sorry -- you just don't. The coordinator opposite the head coach's background is the one position you've got to have competent x's and o's above all else. Moreover -- in the current SECW -- with our built-in disadvantages -- you need an x's and o's savant in that spot.

LSU is the #1 class in the country right now -- and Ogre is barely in the top 25 of recruiters. He's not the only elite recruiter in the country. But since our fans only apparently pay attention to us and Ole Miss -- they are totally obsessed with him. Hell, let's hire Frank Wilson for a million and make him defensive coordinator. Why not hire Brewster for the spot? I get that there's a difference there -- but it highlights my point.

We promoted Geoff Collins and we'd never seen him play chess. I didn't say it was a 100% guarantee to work. O can't be a worse "chess player" than Chris Wilson, and while Wilson was bad, he didn't tear down our program.
01-02-2016, 06:21 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by engie

Did we not just set the school record for TFL?

Did we not just set the school record for least fumbles recovered?
01-02-2016, 06:22 PM
CadaverDawg

After a small amount of looking around, Lance Thompson would be a much better hire than O if we could get him
01-02-2016, 06:29 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

We promoted Geoff Collins and we'd never seen him play chess. I didn't say it was a 100% guarantee to work. O can't be a worse "chess player" than Chris Wilson, and while Wilson was bad, he didn't tear down our program.

Collins had been coordinator at 3 different schools before joining us. Including FIU.
01-02-2016, 06:34 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Collins had been coordinator at 3 different schools before joining us. Including FIU.

Thought he was just linebackers. Oh well. Chris Wilson then ha
01-02-2016, 06:34 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

We promoted Geoff Collins and we'd never seen him play chess

Wrong. He was in the running for the Broyles Award as a DC before we hired him.

And it can absolutely get worse than Chris Wilson was.
01-02-2016, 06:35 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Did we not just set the school record for least fumbles recovered?

Because of "bend don't break"?
01-02-2016, 06:39 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

Wrong. He was in the running for the Broyles Award as a DC before we hired him.

And it can absolutely get worse than Chris Wilson was.

Ok. Not getting into a classic 9 page "engie wants to argue" thread....so I'll just agree to disagree. O likely wouldn't be as bad or worse than Wilson. I'd rather have Thompson though.
01-02-2016, 08:08 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Ok. Not getting into a classic 9 page "engie wants to argue" thread....so I'll just agree to disagree. O likely wouldn't be as bad or worse than Wilson. I'd rather have Thompson though.

Wilson was bad though bro. I was so glad he was turned loose..lol
01-02-2016, 08:10 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Wilson was bad though bro. I was so glad he was turned loose..lol

Me too! That's my point, Wilson was awful & even HE didn't derail our program....so freaking out at the mere thought of O seems silly to me.
01-02-2016, 08:14 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Ok. Not getting into a classic 9 page "engie wants to argue" thread....so I'll just agree to disagree. O likely wouldn't be as bad or worse than Wilson. I'd rather have Thompson though.

I'd rather have O. He knows the area well and would probably do all he could do to beat Ole Miss. His LSU DL looked very good this year imo.

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