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12-31-2015, 05:22 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Your wrong. I've heard stories about Freeze recently blowing up booster's phones lately in regards to certain players. Hugh is actually heavily involved with his network and actually appears to micromanage it.

It shocked me as well

I fully believe this. Networks get their direction from the coaching staff, it really doesn't work well any other way. And if Mullen wanted a network or was allowed to have a network (whatever the current case is because I'm not totally sure) then he would absolutely have one. And its certainly true that the actual activity will never be traced back to a coach if its done properly but they certainly are giving the marching orders on who to target and what is needed to acquire that target.
12-31-2015, 05:27 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Surely he is not stupid enough to contact boosters directly.

Why not, even if it came to light he was calling these boosters, unless the calls were recorded you couldn't prove he was directing any rule breaking activity.
12-31-2015, 05:29 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Meh..... What the f*** are you talking about? You constantly harp on recruiting better player but "miss the forest for the trees" on why we aren't taking that next step in recruiting.

Todd hit the nail on the head. Dan since coming to MSU, has played seniority over talent. Only injuries or completely abysmal play forces him to play the younger more talented guys. Peters, Dear, Bryant, CJones, DLee, Green, and the rest of our more talented guys should have played more from snap one of their freshman seasons. Hell We didn't even really use A potential 1st round talent Jones until over halfway into his freshman season. The defensive guys mentioned above only got to see significant PT and starring roles because other lesser talented upperclassmen were injured and Dan had no choice to play them.

This is a two fold win win for us. Not only would our best players contribute, it would also show other 4-5* guys that they can actually play early and often. Bucky sells this shit to the recruits and backs it up by playing them. We sell them working to get to play and then put GD training wheels on our Ferari's and Porche's. If anyone thinks recruits don't take note of how we baby our top talent while others let them have at it, you are kidding yourselves.

If we are to take the next step on the field and in recruiting (which go hand in hand) we are going to have to start letting the best players play (young top talent) to show high schools guys you can play and then start singing better classes. The cycle will build itself but only if Dan Mullen changes his philosophy and doesn't try the f*cking 2-3 start developmental program on guys who are ready to play.

I think we either played the most or 2nd most freshmen in the SEC this year. I don't believe your claim is any close to true, &, without being at practice everyday, I believe it's extremely arrogant to believe that you know which players should be playing more than Dan does.

Don't get me wrong, our coaches do make mistakes, but so does everyone else's coaches.

I would say on a scale of 1-5, with 5 being excellent coaching & 1 being awful, our coaches are a 4. We are a very well coached team & a program that has a quality culture.

Sure, it's the coaches jobs to recruit & that where the blame gets murky, but, as for the actual football coaching part, I think they do a very good job.
12-31-2015, 05:31 PM
Coach34

and Whittingham was offered up as an option if Dan left. Ya know- a guy thats won 9 or more games 4 of the last 7 years...10 wins 3 times of those 7
12-31-2015, 05:33 PM
OurState

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Not trying to knock Dan honestly, but this "4-3 against UM" doesn't say much about the context of the present -- which is 3 of 4 losses, all blowouts.

3-0 vs Nuttsack
1-3 vs Freezus

This is my concern
12-31-2015, 05:39 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This is bullshit

I stated in the beginning that Mullen was talking to some teams- but I didnt know who. Turns out that is was Georgia and Maryland- with Miami coming in later. After I posted what I heard- I had others come to me and tell me Mullen wants out. And if you look at his actions- he did. None of this can disputed now. He was absolutely talking to those 3 schools.

I was led to believe he was going to be the coach at Maryland- and it came from multiple people. Not sure what happened- but here he stays. He is not leaving us anytime soon because he cant afford the paycut or that he cant get a blueblood job because he struggles to win big games.

He was going to coach at Maryland until UGA came open.
12-31-2015, 05:46 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yes he is. Stories that I've heard is that he blows up their phones constantly & is at times upset with them & their efforts. It's pathetic. I heard a few stories that shocked me

If true, that means the boosters are talking, bc I highly doubt freeze would broadcast those talks. Somebody bug their phone.
12-31-2015, 05:58 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Why not, even if it came to light he was calling these boosters, unless the calls were recorded you couldn't prove he was directing any rule breaking activity.

Bc there is already a ton of smoke around that fire. Why give the ncaa, the entity that is investigating you and has the power to hammer you with purely circumstantial evidence, more ammo. Would be stupid.
12-31-2015, 05:58 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

If true, that means the boosters are talking, bc I highly doubt freeze would broadcast those talks. Somebody bug their phone.

Of course boosters with an ego talk, but it still doesn't get you any closer to taking them down.

- A booster talking to 3rd parties isn't really substantial evidence

- Bugging their phones without a judge's order is highly illegal, &, since the NCAA doesn't have subpoena power, this will never happen.

About the only way they can be caught is if a family member, like Tunsil's, opens up to the NCAA & shows them the dead bodies.

BTW, how did we get in trouble with the Redmond issue? How did anyone ever find out what happened in the first place?
12-31-2015, 05:58 PM
Liverpooldawg

I see UM recruiting is in high gear. Why on earth some of our own have to help is beyond me.
12-31-2015, 06:02 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Bc there is already a ton of smoke around that fire. Why give the ncaa, the entity that is investigating you and has the power to hammer you with purely circumstantial evidence, more ammo. Would be stupid.

The NCAA would never even get the phone records anyway much less try to piece together some circumstantial evidence if they did.
12-31-2015, 06:06 PM
engie

Mullen was actively seeking other employment -- but he did no actual confirmed interview outside of one phone conversation with Miami... And he turned down what was it? 6 yrs 33mil? at Maryland? For a first time HC coordinator?

I don't care what you -- finebaum -- or the author of meat market -- said. None of it truly passed the sniff test.

I'd agree that something was definitely going on with Mullen -- but if he was truly lookin to get out -- he would have gotten out.
12-31-2015, 06:08 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This is bullshit

I stated in the beginning that Mullen was talking to some teams- but I didnt know who. Turns out that is was Georgia and Maryland- with Miami coming in later. After I posted what I heard- I had others come to me and tell me Mullen wants out. And if you look at his actions- he did. None of this can disputed now. He was absolutely talking to those 3 schools.

I was led to believe he was going to be the coach at Maryland- and it came from multiple people. Not sure what happened- but here he stays. He is not leaving us anytime soon because he cant afford the paycut or that he cant get a blueblood job because he struggles to win big games.

How can that not be disputed? What actions made you conclude that it is indisputable that he wants out? I Have no idea if he truly wanted out, but there is no proof of that. I would never fault a person for listening to other opportunities, seeing they are not as good, financially or otherwise, and staying put. I've done it myself. He's married to Megan, not msu.
12-31-2015, 06:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Of course boosters with an ego talk, but it still doesn't get you any closer to taking them down.

- A booster talking to 3rd parties isn't really substantial evidence

- Bugging their phones without a judge's order is highly illegal, &, since the NCAA doesn't have subpoena power, this will never happen.

About the only way they can be caught is if a family member, like Tunsil's, opens up to the NCAA & shows them the dead bodies.

BTW, how did we get in trouble with the Redmond issue? How did anyone ever find out what happened in the first place?

I hear ya, but the ncaa doesn't need substantial evidence. I'm just saying it would be stupid to broadcast that info, not that it isn't broadcasted.
12-31-2015, 06:12 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen was only leaving for a USC or UGA or FSU. He wasn't going to Maryland, Va Tech, or even Miami. He answered a phone call from Miami nothing more. Nothing came from it.
12-31-2015, 06:15 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen was only leaving for a USC or UGA or FSU. He wasn't going to Maryland, Va Tech, or even Miami. He answered a phone call from Miami nothing more. Nothing came from it.

This.
12-31-2015, 06:16 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The NCAA would never even get the phone records anyway much less try to piece together some circumstantial evidence if they did.

See renardo. The ncaa asks for records, you assert your legal right to not turn them over without a subpoena, and the ncaa holds that against you. Again, I'm not saying it would land you on probation for certain, but it would be one brick of the house.
12-31-2015, 06:18 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Meh, I think we are a very well coached team. Sure, our coaches make mistakes like everyone else's, but I believe we get a ton out of our talent.

We need better players to raise our ceiling. I think it's much more likely that we find a way to recruit better than it is that we find the super coach that allows us to compete for Atlanta with our current talent level.

We are a 7-9 win program now. Only way we become a 9-11 program is if we get better players.

We're talking about two different things. I don't have a problem with our coaching of players in general. In fact I think we get most of our guys to reach their ceiling. I have a problem with us not playing more talented players in general simply because they are freshmen or sophomores more than we are if they can help us. Like Dear.

Everyone has a ceiling no matter how hard they work or how much experience they have. Talent can overcome that if the player is talented enough.

We had problems at running back and safety- and yet we had four star players at those position groups on the bench most of the year behind three star guys. And if you count Dear as a running back option we basically sat two Army All Americans at positions of weakness. Both of whom played pretty well also when given the opportunity.
12-31-2015, 06:18 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by engie

Mullen was actively seeking other employment -- but he did no actual confirmed interview outside of one phone conversation with Miami... And he turned down what was it? 6 yrs 33mil? at Maryland? For a first time HC coordinator?

I don't care what you -- finebaum -- or the author of meat market -- said. None of it truly passed the sniff test.

I'd agree that something was definitely going on with Mullen -- but if he was truly lookin to get out -- he would have gotten out.

This. If the man was so unhappy and truly wanted out, he could have had several jobs. The fact that he is still here should tell you he was only interested in certain jobs. Nothing wrong with that.
12-31-2015, 06:22 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen was only leaving for a USC or UGA or FSU. He wasn't going to Maryland, Va Tech, or even Miami. He answered a phone call from Miami nothing more. Nothing came from it.

It would have been nice to hear this from Dan himself.

And yeah I just tossed up a softball for someone to knock out of the park.

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