Today is one of the worst days in MSU football history

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12-03-2015, 01:56 AM
BeardoMSU

If today is "one of the worst days in our history", where does this rank?***

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12-03-2015, 01:57 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Well, he's proved Finebaum wrong. Great. Most of us thought that they were wrong too and idiots- and they were. Our standard for how our season is measured shouldn't be defined by the media who mixes us up with Ole Miss at least 10% of the time.

And as far as 2013- that doesn't mean anything. It's pretty much the same argument as the people in 2002 that thought that Jackie could turn it around. IMO it's more difficult to keep turning things around again and again.

2002 Jackie? Man there a ton of people who thought it was time after back to back 3 win seasons. You are comparing now to that time? Not even remotely close to what people were thinking overall and the body of work...good grief. What galaxy is that a similar comparison? No, the bulk of the people were not making the same arguments. Granted some thought what he did in the past warranted consideration but his seat was flaming even from those few.

ETA. Jackie was almost let go in the mid 90's as well don't forget. His seat was hot then to. Do you cut ties with him then knowing now what took place?
12-03-2015, 02:03 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

If today is "one of the worst days in our history", where does this rank?***

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Even worse than today. Not sure where it ranks and I don't want to torture myself figuring it out.
12-03-2015, 02:06 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

2002 Jackie? Man there a ton of people who thought it was time after back to back 3 win seasons. You are comparing now to that time? Not even remotely close to what people were thinking overall and the body of work...good grief. What galaxy is that a similar comparison? No, the bulk of the people were not making the same arguments. Granted some thought what he did in the past warranted consideration but his seat was flaming even from those few.

Only in terms of us holding onto a coach too long by making the argument that a coach could turn things around because he had turned things around before- yes. Even though we are not in as bad shape now as we were then. 2001 Jackie probably would be a better comparison.
12-03-2015, 02:07 AM
bobcat91

Todd, you have always been a very good poster, but you have become unhinged over internet and media b s. He talked to Georgia and was called by Miami and answered a courtesy call. That's it. The rest is bs. I'll go further, one of the cigar boys is trying to bust Mullen. Why, I have no clue, but that is where this crap is coming from. I don't know if Mullen blew him off or what, but this crap is coming from him/them. And their agenda is to use folks to spread their message that Dan needs to go. The Fans are pissed over the UM game--they have a right to be, but if I fired everyone that had a bad day or two, I'd be in rough shape. Chill out. Dan will leave in time, but hopefully we have a 8-10 win series of seasons to watch him leave from.
12-03-2015, 02:14 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Whether you want to admit it or not- I have been right for the most part the last 8-12 months. I didn't get a chance to respond to one of your posts since the thread got locked- but I said Dixon should play only because we didn't have a FB- something Dan apparently has forgotten about since Hanrahan graduated. You can't call me out about a guy that left the team in the offseason. You tried to call me out about Jenkins which I thought was odd given he ended up being one of our better OT's- and eventually started at the end of the year. And as far as Gray- he looked great on the outside against Sun Belt/C-USA competition- but like I said before his height became an issue in SEC play. He needs to be in the slot, and I'm not sure why you think I'm wrong since Dan refuses to put him there so that we can definitively see. He can still be a lethal deep threat in the slot- and probably even moreso since he has an even better chance of outrunning a safety or a LB.

Right about Coman, right about Lee although Holloway did well when actually used properly and not running up the gut, right about Zach Jackson being our worst player on defense and saying that Gray should start over him, right about Bryant over Market,.

Now I wasn't right about everything- but I did pretty well for the most part.

Haha, really? First of all, I'm not saying you've lost it Bc of your predictions...you said tons of crazy shit lately that was worse.

BUT, since you brought it up...you keep claiming you were "right" about things like Jenkins, when you admitted all you'd ever seen was a Hudl video of the guy to base that expert opinion on. So before you pat yourself on the back too hard, realize that you're giving yourself credit for throwing shit against a wall and a few turds sticking...that doesn't make you "right", it makes it a turd that stuck.

And the whole thread the other night got locked Bc it took a huge turn for the worst when you claimed "Mullen clearly doesn't want to be here", and when asked how you know that, you said "I'm much better at reading people than most, and I could tell by the way Mullen acted". Seriously?

I'm not trying to get in a pissing match...I'm really not...I'm trying to advise you to read the shit you've been posting and consider sitting a few plays out Bc people are thinking you're losing it. You've always been a good poster, but the last 8-12 months or so you've seemed like a different guy.

Just trying to help, since you're reacting to one of the best times in our football history like it's a Rick Ray coaching clinic.
12-03-2015, 02:16 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

There's nothing to turn around, dude. There will always be ups and downs, but the program overall has been trending up since Mullen got here. He hasn't had to turn it around since then. Sherrill completely lost the program. Two entirely different scenarios.

And to just briefly mention Gray, the guy looked pretty great every time he was given an opportunity. And most of those came on the outside. His height isn't what you usually see in guys on the outside because most can't handle it. Some can, Antonio Brown being the most obvious. I think Gray can as well.

Well said. I agree
12-03-2015, 02:17 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Only in terms of us holding onto a coach too long by making the argument that a coach could turn things around because he had turned things around before- yes. Even though we are not in as bad shape now as we were then. 2001 Jackie probably would be a better comparison.

Ok. 2001 Jackie won 3 games. 3. How is that the same as Dan winning 8? I agree we held on to Jackie to long. I would have been hard pressed to bring him back because I do believe in this league you ever go 3 wins or less, the likelihood of a turn around is extremely slim. Not talking about an initial build, depending on the school, but a 3 win season is very difficult to overcome after you have been at place a few years. But I also understand some at the time wanting to give him another year after 2001 because of the previous 3 years success. You also have to consider the time as well. You didn't cut coaches lose as quickly back then. And it worked, sometimes. Even today with Kirk at Iowa, he had a 4 win season in 2012. But I'm probably making the move quicker than some. But still to project holding on too long after 8 wins...that's beyond a stretch Todd.
12-03-2015, 02:24 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

If today is "one of the worst days in our history", where does this rank?***

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You rat bastard, I had almost deleted it from memory.**

This is definitely about as far as it gets from the worst time in our history. Thanks for that reminder of just how great today is, Beardo.
12-03-2015, 02:47 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, really? First of all, I'm not saying you've lost it Bc of your predictions...you said tons of crazy shit lately that was worse.

BUT, since you brought it up...you keep claiming you were "right" about things like Jenkins, when you admitted all you'd ever seen was a Hudl video of the guy to base that expert opinion on. So before you pat yourself on the back too hard, realize that you're giving yourself credit for throwing shit against a wall and a few turds sticking...that doesn't make you "right", it makes it a turd that stuck.

And the whole thread the other night got locked Bc it took a huge turn for the worst when you claimed "Mullen clearly doesn't want to be here", and when asked how you know that, you said "I'm much better at reading people than most, and I could tell by the way Mullen acted". Seriously?

I'm not trying to get in a pissing match...I'm really not...I'm trying to advise you to read the shit you've been posting and consider sitting a few plays out Bc people are thinking you're losing it. You've always been a good poster, but the last 8-12 months or so you've seemed like a different guy.

Just trying to help, since you're reacting to one of the best times in our football history like it's a Rick Ray coaching clinic.

Actually, I said what I did based on what Coach34 said- and gave him credit for that. And yes- I still believe that Dan doesn't really want to be here based on his actions. Time will tell again whether I am right or not.
12-03-2015, 02:51 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

Todd, you have always been a very good poster, but you have become unhinged over internet and media b s. He talked to Georgia and was called by Miami and answered a courtesy call. That's it. The rest is bs. I'll go further, one of the cigar boys is trying to bust Mullen. Why, I have no clue, but that is where this crap is coming from. I don't know if Mullen blew him off or what, but this crap is coming from him/them. And their agenda is to use folks to spread their message that Dan needs to go. The Fans are pissed over the UM game--they have a right to be, but if I fired everyone that had a bad day or two, I'd be in rough shape. Chill out. Dan will leave in time, but hopefully we have a 8-10 win series of seasons to watch him leave from.

Again, I'm not as concerned with Dan looking around as much as I am the other things that I am seeing from him that are holding us back. It's not so much about losing the Egg Bowl as much as it is the whole big picture. Croonies and making poor decisions on Dan's part in game happen consistently and hold us back. That and the fact that Dan is extremely inflexible to change are what have me worried.
12-03-2015, 02:59 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ok. 2001 Jackie won 3 games. 3. How is that the same as Dan winning 8? I agree we held on to Jackie to long. I would have been hard pressed to bring him back because I do believe in this league you ever go 3 wins or less, the likelihood of a turn around is extremely slim. Not talking about an initial build, depending on the school, but a 3 win season is very difficult to overcome after you have been at place a few years. But I also understand some at the time wanting to give him another year after 2001 because of the previous 3 years success. You also have to consider the time as well. You didn't cut coaches lose as quickly back then. And it worked, sometimes. Even today with Kirk at Iowa, he had a 4 win season in 2012. But I'm probably making the move quicker than some. But still to project holding on too long after 8 wins...that's beyond a stretch Todd.

And as I have said- because of the 8 wins it would be best for Dan to leave on his own- not be fired as some try to paint it. The point I'm trying to make is because Dan struck out I expect there to be a decline and that is likely going to eventually lead to Dan being fired and us as fans suffering. Remember Jackie won 8 games in 2000 before winning 3 in 2001- and there were cracks in the foundation in 2000 in hindsight as well.

You also have to take into account that Dan won 8 games with one of the greatest players in SEC history at QB- who won't be back next year. There is no doubt in my mind that our record would have been worse this year without Dak.
12-03-2015, 03:17 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And as I have said- because of the 8 wins it would be best for Dan to leave on his own- not be fired as some try to paint it. The point I'm trying to make is because Dan struck out I expect there to be a decline and that is likely going to eventually lead to Dan being fired and us as fans suffering. Remember Jackie won 8 games in 2000 before winning 3 in 2001- and there were cracks in the foundation in 2000 in hindsight as well.

You also have to take into account that Dan won 8 games with one of the greatest players in SEC history at QB- who won't be back next year. There is no doubt in my mind that our record would have been worse this year without Dak.

We may win less games next year but that was the thought anyway. If he drops to a losing season, depending on why, it will be a concern. We haven't seen that he has lost the team so a projection that any decline other than talent and/or experience doesn't have merit yet. And Dan won 8 regular season games with Relf and Tyler at QB. His track record shows he has been able to do it with multiple types of QB's and Dak also won 10 games last year. That's 18 games in 2 years with one game to go. Your selling his ability to develop QB's well short. So I don't buy that he can't do it with Fitz or Staley.

You are trying to convenience people that we need to make a preemptive strike before a decline without actually seeing a true decline.
12-03-2015, 03:49 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You also have to take into account that Dan won 8 games with one of the greatest players in SEC history at QB- who won't be back next year. There is no doubt in my mind that our record would have been worse this year without Dak.

I expect fans of rival schools and people who don't know better to give Mullen no credit for Dak and assume he is the sole reason for our recent success. I don't expect it from State fans.

Dak has some natural intangible qualities that make him special, yes, but as far as I'm concerned Mullen gets all the credit for developing him into what he became.
12-03-2015, 04:44 AM
Rayburn8

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

If today is "one of the worst days in our history", where does this rank?***

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An article in the last Reflector of the semester outright said it was the lowest moment.
12-03-2015, 05:55 AM
sbcmortgageman

No one is happy with the current situation but dear Lord your posts are insufferable.
12-03-2015, 06:51 AM
Dawgface

Todd I pretty much agree. But banging your head against a wall will not change anything. For as much as I despise Mullen for his annual job searches and just his overall arrogance, he has made us an annual bowl team. He won't be fired as long as that continues and I hope it does. Because I don't want to see a major decline just to get rid of him as I'm sure you don't.

Focus on basketball and baseball and let this go. Like it or not, Mullen is not going anywhere.......not unless he finally finds the greener pastures he so longs for.
12-03-2015, 06:55 AM
MSUDawg99

I saw the title of the thread & thought "Damn, somebody must have died that I didn't know about!"
12-03-2015, 07:09 AM
phatdog

bullshit. How did you feel the day Croom was hired?
12-03-2015, 07:37 AM
1MidsouthDawg

True reporting...

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We NEED Dan to leave- for his sake and for our sake.

People can spout all of the MSU football history that they want to- the fact of the matter is we have a coach that doesn't want to be here, is entitled, and doesn't get along with many of the big donors. And then we have an AD who won't do anything about it other than sit back and hope it all works out somehow. Basically the only thing Dan cares about at this point is his money that we are going to pay him. He doesn't care about anything else at this point. And go buy a ticket and go to the game if you don't believe me.

What does it say that your name is mentioned for job after job and then you get passed over for two assistants that have ZERO head coaching experience much less SEC head coaching experience?

Anyone that thinks that Dan staying somehow equals "program stability" is completely clueless at this point. What is going to happen is we are going to dig ourselves into a hole and we aren't going anywhere until something happens where we are given no choice but to fire Dan. 6-6 might very well be our ceiling next year. Think about that.

I love Nick Fitzgerald's upside- but we don't know if he can even come close to Dak in terms of leadership. Can he take over a game like Dak can at times? Who knows- but probably not. We're still going to run Holloway up the middle while our more talented backs watch and work on "their finer points of the game". Receivers should be good, but with Hevesy back I don't foresee any improvement on the o-line. He's not going to start anyone over Desper as long as Desper is healthy, and we're still going to have people out of position.

And then on defense, we're losing Chris Jones and Ryan Brown at a minimum- and possibly Nick James. All huge losses, but we'll be solid at LB. Of course we'll start Coman and Cleveland and they'll continue to get torched and or run over. So, we're going to be worse on defense everywhere except for LB- thanks for quitting Zach so we could upgrade.

So unless some miracle happens I expect it to get pretty ugly next year. I just wish we had someone in the AD with some balls to fix this shit. They'll figure it out when people stop showing up. Or we lose to someone like UMass because we don't have a coach that gives a shit.

Here is some reporting from outside of Mississippi actual facts on what CDM said in Jackson, not the edited Clarion Liar version.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._mullen_8.html

"It's the same deal. The only year you haven't asked is my first year as the head coach. Same thing," Mullen said. "Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true.

"I think the year for us, every single year it's the exact same thing. A couple years ago I was here at dinner while I was signing a contract at Penn State. The next year I was in Colorado and four and five different cities in one day when I was sitting at this award."

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