I'm not one to cite "sources", but here's why y'all need to chill in my opinion....

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

the players who worked their ****ing ass off all year care. and I guess we've progressed from reading dans body language to full on telepathy of our entire fan base.

im being a smart ass but, people care.[

I'm fine with you being a smart ass, no problem. Dan talked about winning championships. He's not talking about that anymore. I wonder why? Do you think it's because he can't win a big game to get to a championship? Do you think it's because Freeze owns his ass right now? Where's the fire and excitement that he used to have?

I personally think that he thought he would have been offered a dream job after last year. I think if he doesn't have a solid recruiting class, that the flame has burnt out. They say 10 years is about the length of a tenure at one school, and then it's time to move on. We might very well be looking at the beginning of the decline.

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I'm sure he's sincere about his want to win them. it's just easier said than done in the sec west. I'm ever hopeful each year tho.. it's what we do right? and he did talk about it - watch relentless. "our goals are still attainable sec west etc" after its out of reach yea.. I doubt he brings it up in passing

8-4 after 10-2 with a bowl game and some think we're in the beginning of a decline. I ****ing love us

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Originally Posted by Thick

"At least it's not OM". Really, that's all you care about is what OM does? Well here's some food for thought....Dan is 1 out of 4 vs Freeze, and that 1 was pure luck! I don't care what OM does, because I'm a State grad. If you care about OM, then you should be out of your mind pissed off about the last 4 years! Dan is about to enter year 8, and HE HAS NEVER RECRUITED GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. He inherited good linemen. You cannot win/compete in the West if you cannot control the LOS. Enjoy this underachieving 8-4, because next year is going to be much tougher.

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THIS!!!!!

I could care less if he " wants out" or any of that. I do care that our OL is unbelievably bad and our recruiting is lacking to be kind. I've never heard of a team giving up 10 sacks on a game... Ever.

Our recruiting has to get better, specifically on the OL. You can live with crappy RBs but we can't make it without a good OL.

Did you really just say that the west coaches are glad to see rumors of Dan leaving???? Why? They own his ass. Saban, Miles, Freeze, and Sumerlin love Dan. In the last 4 years, Dan has owned AR and done well vs AU, but the others he has 1 win vs OM, LSU, and aTm. Of course, he has never beaten Saban. Again, they don't care if he stays or goes.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And I won't hold laughing about the kick or the press conference against him. Dan took a "shit happens" attitude to a "shit happens" situation. I have no doubt our coaches had the team prepared. We had energy that first drive, and were clicking until Dak fumbled - and honestly until the pick 6. Something went against us at every key moment in that game. That shit happens. Happened to Bama against OM. After all the bounces going wrong all game we still had a chance late, and a bounce on a kick ends it.

What Dan has learned, and a bunch of y'all need to learn, is that you can't dwell on that shit or it will eat you alive. Laugh it off and move on. We had a good season, worked hard, made mistakes, grew as program, overcame some challenges, had some kids rise above expectations, and for the 7th straight year did better than everyone in the country (outside our fanbase) said we would. And Dan was right when he said that in the press conference. You learn from all of that, apply it to next year and get better.

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good post (except the laugh it off part) ... both Bama and OM were quite simply put - better teams than we were this year .... may not necessarily be the case next year

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

the players who worked their ****ing ass off all year care. and I guess we've progressed from reading dans body language to full on telepathy of our entire fan base.

im being a smart ass but, people care.

eta: last year AU and A&M we both in top 10 if not top 5 when we beat them. those were pretty big ****ing games. don't give me they finished ranked here or there.

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Thick is OK ... he, like a few more here are still in meltdown mode ... yeah, players, coaches, & fans do care and you dont rise to #1 in the country in 5 weeks with out winning a few big games .... Thick- start using more rationale and less emotion

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

I never felt this shit about dan leaving or wanting to leave. just took what was said at face value I guess, and ofc dan would entertain offers from elite programs. be crazy not to.

can we stop this rumor mill shit (whether from media or our own) every year? even with all the inside info, "he gone", 100% dans gone, etc etc I just didn't buy it. for the most part I just tried to stay out of it cos it's a pointless argument.

TL,DR cadaver is spot on.

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some people like to stir shit--it creates lots of activity on their message board. How about "100%" gone--total bullshit.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

Thick is OK ... he, like a few more here are still in meltdown mode ... yeah, players, coaches, & fans do care and you dont rise to #1 in the country in 5 weeks with out winning a few big games .... Thick- start using more rationale and less emotion

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Rational discussion and less emotion is good, and your comment about being #1 provoked a thought. Being rational, can we agree that when we got to #1 this team lost some fire it has never regained? Even with the OL holes, running game issues, etc. this team has just seemed off since last year. We went in to Tuscaloosa, got whipped and never really recovered from that game. I don't think the program has ever gotten back to form. We've seen flashes of good play, but not a game of consistently playing with intensity and fire for 4 quarters. Even our USM game this year seemed flat - I don't understand how that happened.

This is not a "fire Dan" comment, far from it. Just a thought that this team may not have underachieved on paper based on stars, talent, health, etc... but it does seem to me that our energy level was flat all year and that could have been the missing piece for winning another game or two. Arkansas was the only game that came close and even then we almost gave that one away. Something to think about for finishing out this season and heading into '16.

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I have no doubt that what you say is correct,and suspected it all along. Some of my beloved Bulldog brothers need to stop this madness every year. They never learn

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Rational discussion and less emotion is good, and your comment about being #1 provoked a thought. Being rational, can we agree that when we got to #1 this team lost some fire it has never regained? Even with the OL holes, running game issues, etc. this team has just seemed off since last year. We went in to Tuscaloosa, got whipped and never really recovered from that game. I don't think the program has ever gotten back to form. We've seen flashes of good play, but not a game of consistently playing with intensity and fire for 4 quarters. Even our USM game this year seemed flat - I don't understand how that happened.

This is not a "fire Dan" comment, far from it. Just a thought that this team may not have underachieved on paper based on stars, talent, health, etc... but it does seem to me that our energy level was flat all year and that could have been the missing piece for winning another game or two. Arkansas was the only game that came close and even then we almost gave that one away. Something to think about for finishing out this season and heading into '16.

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I like this theory -- it's similar to the group of players that got to Omaha and then suddenly lost that competitive edge and drive to win. Too much patting on the back perhaps. In the case of baseball and football, thank goodness there are a lot of talented younger players that are ready to prove their worth to the program

First, I'm not mad. Second, I'm just making a few points based on facts and results. This year the West was pretty average at best. Bama is the only really good team, but OM beat them on the road. We got killed at home. That's result based fact. We got manhandled in the Egg, that's not emotion. That's result based facts. I'm sorry that my opinions don't flow with the status quo, but from this point forward, staff management and recruiting will dictate where Dan's head is moving forward. Next year could get real ugly depending on draft eligible juniors that jump. That's not emotion guys, that's fact.

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Originally Posted by joedog

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Would be awesome if this were real...

Brahma bull hit it squarely in the nose. Cadaver's post is spin after the fact. Nobody has to "tell" their agent they are willing to listen to a top job. Mullen's name has been out there every year for a job. This year was much different. Stop being morons.

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Originally Posted by Thick

First, I'm not mad. Second, I'm just making a few points based on facts and results. This year the West was pretty average at best. Bama is the only really good team, but OM beat them on the road. We got killed at home. That's result based fact. We got manhandled in the Egg, that's not emotion. That's result based facts. I'm sorry that my opinions don't flow with the status quo, but from this point forward, staff management and recruiting will dictate where Dan's head is moving forward. Next year could get real ugly depending on draft eligible juniors that jump. That's not emotion guys, that's fact.

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preach it Fullback!!

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Originally Posted by Thick

First, I'm not mad. Second, I'm just making a few points based on facts and results. This year the West was pretty average at best. Bama is the only really good team, but OM beat them on the road. We got killed at home. That's result based fact. We got manhandled in the Egg, that's not emotion. That's result based facts. I'm sorry that my opinions don't flow with the status quo, but from this point forward, staff management and recruiting will dictate where Dan's head is moving forward. Next year could get real ugly depending on draft eligible juniors that jump. That's not emotion guys, that's fact.

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the west is bowl eligible across the board. not many divisions can say that and I doubt anybody would wanna play any of the bottom half in 2nd half of season. facts also.

bama whipped us. no doubt. we couldn't match up. om didn't manhandle us, we made mistakes they capitalized. wish we'd played better but no. we played a decent 2nd half (24-10 ish) did om let off the gas? I really doubt it. could be tho. still.

and yes, I'm with ya. staff management and getting the types of guys we need, in here.I think next year will be a decent year.. no inside info. just my gut.

eta: i saw where online our center played 1 oline position for the game. the rest were mixed and matched. our oline was a mess, IT got manhandled if anything.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Brahma bull hit it squarely in the nose. Cadaver's post is spin after the fact. Nobody has to "tell" their agent they are willing to listen to a top job. Mullen's name has been out there every year for a job. This year was much different. Stop being morons.

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Coach your sources have had a tough year.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

honestly an sec win is a good win. and again youre using only 4 yrs for tsun. u act like we should sleep walk thru this conference.

alabama and lsu are what they are. go Google #of players currently in nfl off each sec team. I'd love to beat all these teams every other year it's just not reality

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Coaches?

Has anyone considered that Rev, Frozen beat Alabama and LSU in the same year and still did not make it to Atlanta? How unhappy should the reb/bears be with that?

I think the biggest thing to worry about when you start paying coaches what they are making is complacency. There are only a handful of coaches that can keep the same drive as they always have no matter how much money they make or how famous they are. Coaches are human beings and naturally want to enjoy the spoils of their work. Hell, if you paid me $4M a year to coach I would leave after one year and be on a boat with no cell service. I'm not saying that Mullen is complacent because I don't know what's in his heart or in his head but if I were to guess I would lean to the opinion that he has gotten a little complacent. I have no doubt that his drive to win is as great as it ever was on game day but I don't know if it is the same on Tuesday morning. As I said, that would be a natural progression in most humans. I would like to see Mullen hit the recruiting trail hard and really push our guys to win our bowl game so we get to 9 wins.
I'm not arrogant enough to say Dan Mullen owes me anything. I'm just a lowly Bulldog fan trying to enjoy life. I'll probably feel better about everything in a few days but I think right now my hangover from Saturday is still lingering.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyQuid

om didn't manhandle us.

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Look I don't want dan to go but this is just stupid. Did you even watch the game???

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Originally Posted by Duckdog

Look I don't want dan to go but this is just stupid. Did you even watch the game???

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I was at the game. we played utter shit in the first half. we turned it over. ok manhandled.

do u think we were manhandled the 2nd half? honest question