Bad cops in Oxford ??

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11-23-2015, 08:30 AM
I seen it dawg

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.
11-23-2015, 08:56 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

- Sincerely, I seen it dawg
11-23-2015, 09:06 AM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

- Sincerely, I seen it dawg

Don't be a moron. Comparing the 2 is stupid. So how many times have you been minding your own business walking thru the parking lot at a grocery store and had your ass beat by a cop with no provocation?

Now compare that to times women have been abducted in grocery store parking lots and raped..by criminals.

Yeah makes sense. ****ing stupid.
11-23-2015, 09:07 AM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Don't put yourself in a situation where you might get your ass beat by a cop and you won't get your ass beat by a cop. ****ing morons.

So that includes going to football games now?
11-23-2015, 09:10 AM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

So that includes going to football games now?

I go to football games all the time, and drink at them, and have never been approached by any type of law enforcement. Ever. I guess I'm just lucky.....or not a ****ing moron.
11-23-2015, 09:15 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by RC3

He would also likely be facing bogus criminal charges (unless he actually committed a crime) and not be one the receiving end of a nice settlement from an upcoming lawsuit. I know you are trying to say that you aren't dismissinf the cops behavior. But you are. If you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be arrested and humiliated. Under no circumstances was that officer justified in the way he acted

That's not really a practical approach. It sucks, but cops are allowed to make mistakes when arresting people. Giving everybody that's innocent a right to resist an officer acting in good faith would make it impractical to police. The guy should have gone with the cop as ridiculous as that seems at first thought.

The guy did do everybody else a huge favor because the cop clearly doesn't have the right temperament to be a cop, and had he not passively resisted, the cop would be able to continue with lesser abuses.
11-23-2015, 09:16 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Don't be a moron. Comparing the 2 is stupid. So how many times have you been minding your own business walking thru the parking lot at a grocery store and had your ass beat by a cop with no provocation?

Now compare that to times women have been abducted in grocery store parking lots and raped..by criminals.

Yeah makes sense. ****ing stupid.

Just using your logic, genius.

What situations are there where getting your ass beat by a cop is justified? Is be drunk and rowdy, amidst a bunch of other drunk and rowdy people warrant enough to get beat down by a rent-o-cop on a power trip? Seriously? Is just being guilty of being stupid justification for getting sent to the hospital?
11-23-2015, 09:32 AM
BoomBoom

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

That's not really a practical approach. It sucks, but cops are allowed to make mistakes when arresting people. Giving everybody that's innocent a right to resist an officer acting in good faith would make it impractical to police. The guy should have gone with the cop as ridiculous as that seems at first thought.

The guy did do everybody else a huge favor because the cop clearly doesn't have the right temperament to be a cop, and had he not passively resisted, the cop would be able to continue with lesser abuses.

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.
11-23-2015, 09:57 AM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by solodawg

That's bullshlt!! I worked in the business for over 30 years at a few PD's and SO's. My last stint I supervised around 180 officers. Very few times did I have a valid complaint on one of my officers assaulting a citizen. Now there were scuffles when an officer was trying to effect an arrest at which time that subject refused to comply with the officers command. Procedure is to be polite and ask them to go with you, maybe it was jail or maybe it was just to leave the premises. If subject refuses, you politely place your hand on subjects shoulder and try to lead him out of there. At that time if he pulls or jerks away he has officially resisted arrest. Use what ever force is necessary to make the arrest while keeping in mind the safety of the officer and those innocent individuals around the scene. I retired after 30 years in LE and I am so glad that I'm not having to witness what's going on now with all this hate being perpetrated by our potus.

I agree, but what I saw was beyond what I would classify as necessary. Retaliation is not a "necessary" reaction. There were other cops there too. This guy wasn't the incredible hulk.

I realize now that you are sympathetic toward the police since you worked with them, so I'm sure it is quite difficult for you to see it from both sides, but from an outsider looking in, it's just straight up brutal and abuse.
11-23-2015, 10:31 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by solodawg

That's bullshlt!! I worked in the business for over 30 years at a few PD's and SO's. My last stint I supervised around 180 officers. Very few times did I have a valid complaint on one of my officers assaulting a citizen. Now there were scuffles when an officer was trying to effect an arrest at which time that subject refused to comply with the officers command. Procedure is to be polite and ask them to go with you, maybe it was jail or maybe it was just to leave the premises. If subject refuses, you politely place your hand on subjects shoulder and try to lead him out of there. At that time if he pulls or jerks away he has officially resisted arrest. Use what ever force is necessary to make the arrest while keeping in mind the safety of the officer and those innocent individuals around the scene. I retired after 30 years in LE and I am so glad that I'm not having to witness what's going on now with all this hate being perpetrated by our potus.

How in the hell do you blame the president for people without weapons being killed by those that do? Retirement was the best thing you could have done.
11-23-2015, 11:55 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.

It shouldn't and legally isn't (although as a practical matter cops will use it as grounds) but that's not what happened here. It looked like this guy had plenty of time to understand that the police were at least asking him to leave the premises. The policeman flipped out and there's nothing in the video to justify his actions, but had the policeman proceeded in a lawful manner, you would have had a situation where (taking the civilian at his word) a policeman was trying to arrest (or maybe just kickout) a fan for something they didn't do. Him refusing to come with the cops and/or resisting being handcuffed would be resisting arrest, and him being innocent wouldn't provide a legal justification for the resistance. You would hope if there was non-violent resistance and it was determined he was innocent that no DA would actually pursue resisting arrest charges, although there are probably plenty of them that would.

Unless there was something missed by the video, the policeman flipped out for no reason, but had the policeman proceeded in a non-crazy manner to try to handcuff the guy and escort him out, continued resistance would have been
11-23-2015, 12:08 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And to all you females out there: if you don't want to get raped, don't wear sexy outfits. You'll just be asking for it.

You're an idiot.
11-23-2015, 12:35 PM
AlmostPositive

No one should be beaten that badly for being an Ole Miss fan. That should have been toned down 30% or so.

Seriously I expect he will pocket around 300 grand if didn't swing at the officers (with $160K for some jumped-up slip and fall shyster) or if he was clearly struck after being restrained.

Cops hitting restrained and unresisting civilians should be fired and imprisoned for assault.... a few gen pop beatdowns will enlighten their thinking.
11-23-2015, 01:11 PM
Maroonandwhite

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Originally Posted by Coach

Btw... he sings gospel music

And probably visits nursing homes and orphanages on a regular basis. I'm not taking the police or guy's side. But......it's obvious to me that the video that shows the punches was started after the initial event that caused the police to be called. Things must have started heating up for folks to pull out their phones to video the incident. The officer was definitely wrong for punching him. However, without all of the facts, I would hate to start a campaign to crucify the cops. The guy was clearly resisting the officer's commands to leave the stands. I guess the officers could have pepper sprayed everyone within 5 rows or maybe tasered him.
11-23-2015, 01:17 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Yeah, but the problem is current practice doesnt give a normal law-abiding person time to comprehend that they are being arrested. I dont break the law unless it is by accident, so if a cop says he's arresting me my unavoidable initial reaction is going to be "wait what?". That should not be grounds for resisting arrest and a forceful takedown.

You are creating the events leading up to the video. Anybody can create a fantastic fantasy. When we know what exactly happened, then we can make an informed opinion.
11-23-2015, 01:24 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Coach

You are creating the events leading up to the video. Anybody can create a fantastic fantasy. When we know what exactly happened, then we can make an informed opinion.

I think he is speaking more generally to how a person would react.

E.g., for whatever reason, a cop grabs you by the wrist, and your natural reaction is to pull away (especially if you feel you've done no crime), but now you're "resisting arrest", and are swiftly awarded a beat down.

- not saying that is what happened here.
11-23-2015, 01:28 PM
drunkernhelldawg

A lot of recent issues with cops working outside of their normal jurisdictions.
11-23-2015, 01:29 PM
Saltydog

I'm sure there's much more to the story than what the video shows, so I don't think

we have all the facts here. The guy was obviously arguing with them and even has hat had on backwards and moves his face towards the cops arguing his point. I learned a long time ago when approached by an officer it's best to be polite and cooperate and when you have the "right to remain silent", it's prolly smart to do just that.
11-23-2015, 01:29 PM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

I agree, but what I saw was beyond what I would classify as necessary. Retaliation is not a "necessary" reaction. There were other cops there too. This guy wasn't the incredible hulk.

I realize now that you are sympathetic toward the police since you worked with them, so I'm sure it is quite difficult for you to see it from both sides, but from an outsider looking in, it's just straight up brutal and abuse.

I'm on the outside looking in. And I'm seeing it differently. It's just like the girl in the desk in SC. Everybody wanted the cop lynched. Turns out, the student would not listen to the teacher, refused to listen to the admin, and as a last resort the officer was called in. All we saw was the game down.

So again, we know little about this. We do know something happened that the police was called to the area. We do know the wife stated that something happened and ole miss fans 2 rows above blamed him. That's all we know
11-23-2015, 01:33 PM
Coach007

Obviously... People around had time to pull out their phone. So it wasn't the cop just walked up and grab him an started punching.

Now if the guy did nothing to the cop, then we got an issue.

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