Ms st will be better next year.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

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What position you want to break down?

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Originally Posted by Coach

We need an OL coach. And it showed up tonight. If Dan can't see this. He is blind as a bat.

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There is a difference in seeing it and being willing to do something about it.

Jones and Brown.

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Originally Posted by Coach

Remember.. I'm also the one who said if we can't run verse Bama we won't win and they will pin their ears on Dak.

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Wow. It really took a Nostradamus to predict that.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Jones and Brown.

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Hoyett, Adams and Adams will do the job. However, its a little disingenuous to suggest that the defense will be less productive based on 2 players.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Wow. It really took a Nostradamus to predict that.

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Yet there were sooooooo many here saying I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Coach

Yet there were sooooooo many here saying I was wrong.

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Are you a real person? Can't be.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Are you a real person? Can't be.

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Lol... Yes.

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

Really need to keep Diaz. Really need a new OL coach.

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Question is, Will Dan man up and replace a friend so we can get a new OL coach?

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Hevesey to Mullen equals McCorvey to Croom.

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I think you're spot on there....

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Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips

Here's a post I made in another thread. Let's see if I get the same comment I did on that one when an idjit said, well Howland's best player didn't even play last night so that point is mute.


If today doesn't tell us that we can't just recruit projects on the Oline and "coach them up", I don't know what will. Stars matter....just ask Howland. Hell, even Schafer as the women coach is bringing in 4-5 stars. Say what you will, but stars do matter. Maybe 5 years ago they didn't, but it's easier now to determine who's got it and who doesn't. I'm not privy to our recruiting but it certainly doesn't appear that we go after many highly rated guys on the OL. I know the odds of us getting many are slim, but we don't even appear to try. I hate to bring up those pricks up north, but those bastards at least go after top rated OL and whether they cheat or not, they get some every once in a while. Hell, the top rated OL in the country was rumored to be committing to them yesterday before delaying his decision. Bottom line, if we want to seriously contend for championships as Dan always says we do, we've got to recruit better on the OL. No other way. Look at Sherrill's teams. We didn't have playmakers for crap half the time, but the majority of the time he had a dominating OL. It matters. Now, it seems it's the other way around. We can get some playmakers but can't get the OL.

I honestly don't think it's Hevesy. He's not my favorite, but I've seen too many coaches in my life look great with talent to coach and the same coach look like crap when they don't have the talent. If we had some highly recruited OL and was playing like this it's one thing, but look at who we've beat out for our OL. Very few had any SEC offers besides us. It all starts up front. Put Dak and our WR's with Bama's OL and it wouldn't be any question who #1 in the nation would be.

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I think it might be Hevesy....I don't think many kids want to play for him or want to be coached by him. He's not the most personable person out there and I don't think he's a very good recruiter. And it certainly doesn't look like he can coach up 2 and 3 star Olinemen like the other position coaches on our team.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

It IS what Dan does. This is his 1st pass heavy team. We've ran the bll much more all of his past 6 seasons.

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This is THE biggest issue that will hold us back next year. We NEED to be able to run the ball but can't behind this OL. This OL returns almost intact next year so logic would say we won't be able to run next year either.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

This is THE biggest issue that will hold us back next year. We NEED to be able to run the ball but can't behind this OL. This OL returns almost intact next year so logic would say we won't be able to run next year either.

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I agree. Dan is a run 1st coach, or at least his offense is. We only became balanced last year due to the fact we have a Heisman candidate at QB for the 1st time ever. And there were a bunch of us screaming last year to RTGDFB way more than we were. This year, he has to go pass heavy because our o-line can't open up a hole big enough for Holloway to squeeze through sideways. We will probably lose Bear along with Dak next year. If we don't/can't run heavy, we are screwed.
I'm not as down on our RB's as everyone else is. I think Williams is a very good back. He just doesn't have a line to run behind.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

This OL returns almost intact next year so logic would say we won't be able to run next year either.

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We lose two out of the starting five. But the good news is we return 62!*****

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Yet there were sooooooo many here saying I was wrong.

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Then this is the dumbest board on the Interwebz. Im guessing you misinterpreted some posts or conflated two with soooooo many.

IMO, it's a little disingenuous to think that Fletcher Adams and Hoyett can even come close to replacing Jones and Brown. It's not happening coach. And while I do think Nelson is somewhat serviceable he's not CJ. I'll just go ahead and say it, but the three of them combined can't replace Brown and Jones.

If Hevesey won't be replaced by Mullen despite results on the field that would justify a change, can State at least hire a second o-line coach to recruit and maybe coach tight ends and tackles? Send Sallach to an off field admin position.

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Originally Posted by InTheIttaBenaHotSun

I think it might be Hevesy....I don't think many kids want to play for him or want to be coached by him. He's not the most personable person out there and I don't think he's a very good recruiter. And it certainly doesn't look like he can coach up 2 and 3 star Olinemen like the other position coaches on our team.

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This is actually completely wrong. The players like Hevesy and he's the main reason we got C Jones. Hevesy just doesn't know how to get all of the necessary pieces. Darryl Williams is going to be a monster for us on the OL. He'll pass Johnson as center with ease. Johnson is basically going to be our next Damien Robinson. He had high praise but he's soft. We need to also go ahead and switch Calhoun for Desper as well as Jenkins for Warren. Unfortunately, we're going to be losing a lot of height on the OL. Rankin is another head scratcher for us. Why is he so behind after having so much praise on the Juco level?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

IMO, it's a little disingenuous to think that Fletcher Adams and Hoyett can even come close to replacing Jones and Brown. It's not happening coach. And while I do think Nelson is somewhat serviceable he's not CJ. I'll just go ahead and say it, but the three of them combined can't replace Brown and Jones.

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Jonathan Calvin and Kendall Jones are going to be great DEs for us. Not too mention we have Jefferson for one more year. Losing C Jones will hurt because I don't think Big Cory is ready to step in CJ's role. Hoyett won't ever fill CJ's spot..... the dude is big as a truck though. I'm not too worried about the ends next year, but we're going to take a hit in the middle. Also, Torrey Dale needs to quit getting significant snaps. He's proven to be almost as much a liability as Jackson.

We lose the best player to even put on maroon. We lose both CBS. We might lose 1 or both DTs. Lose Ryan Brown. Maybe Torrey Dale who has finally come on as of late. Hutch, kickoff specialist, snapper, our best OLman on a bad OL, possibly Fred Ross and Bear (I doubt it on Bear because he won't evaluate well).

Our OL and RBs return... Our WRs should be ok but if we lose either of our studs we'll have a drop off. TEs will take a hit. The only positions we may be better at next season is DE, LBs, S's, K. Our offense will be worse.

Add to that the schedule is tougher with LSU, Bama and OM away. We also add SC and BYU. We'll be lucky to sweep our West home schedule with Ark, A&M, and Auburn coming to town. We could easily be going into November praying to keep a bowl streak alive.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I know we are we have 2 games left, but....

We have a great situation at msu and the Sec. First and foremost, we have a great defense coming back next year. We will add a lot of depth. On offense, we have all the tools to work with. Our issue will be dealing with an OL that did not do well at all this season. We have the backs, we have the qbs. What we need is an OL coaching change. One more thing I would add. We have to hang on to our staff! Including Diaz.

Another help will be the coaching changes in the sec. I see Saban's staff picked apart, and I see them as our only competition next year.

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We won't be better next year. We will be worse. Our defense is already really good. They won't be much better next year, and our offense will take a big dropoff. You are drastically overestimating how good we will be at QB next year, just like we all did at RB this year.