Aeris

Lee is our best RB.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

What was missed? He asked why Holloway wasn't punished i.e. missing playing time. Holloway has a track record in games, the young backs do not. And how do we know Holloway hasn't had other punishments? And the fact that Williams hasn't lost playing time and has actually increased carries since his fumble at A & M makes it a moot point.

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Williams YPC among other things. And focusing on an essentially same fumble stat.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And Aeris has ONE in 35 attempts- again not enough to warrant "a problem" especially when Williams only had 13 fewer attempts.

A fumble out of bounds in 23 touches also does not indicate "a problem".

My problem with Dan is his use of personnel which had he managed better we would be 8-1 right now.

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Yeah those numbers are a problem. 1 in 23 is not a problem? and you want to give it to him 10-15 times a game? Look I don't think that they will keep having those percentages but that is not good at all for an SEC RB. They will get better but what we don't know, you included is if they are doing it all the time as well. But what we have see, for their career compared to other RB careers on the team, they are the worse. But it hasn't even effected Williams playing time in the sense he has misse games or getting less carries. Williams is getting more reps. Hopefully he continues and the possible fumbling issues are behind him. But as far as a track record that we can see, their numbers are not good so far.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Williams YPC among other things. And focusing on an essentially same fumble stat.

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My reply was to a post that didn't talk about any of that. Just said why was Holloway not punished. That was the part I responded to. Why would the punishment part have anything to do with any of that other?

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Megan, is that you? How was I Seen It in the sack last night after that W?

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Get out of here with that crap. I didn't make any snide remarks or name calling and was respectful to his post and in my counter point.

ETA. I thought you were talking about my response to I Seen It. Point stands debate a piont be forceful is fine but that type of post is crass. No need for that crap.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Get out of here with that crap. I didn't make any snide remarks or name calling and was respectful to his post and in my counter point.

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You continue to defend playing an inept back and defend Dan's choice to play him. That pretty much sums up just about every one of your posts, while tweaking and only bringing up the stats you choose.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I'll call him Dan Walsh until he actually beats Alabama and doesn't play call like a wuss in a big game.

2) And we would be better if he would actually play our best players.

3) I've been right about every personnel decision this year. Suck it.

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So Peters and McLaurin should be starting? That's just two personnel decisions you were advocating. JT Gray has gotten more playing time, like them. Which is what several told you would happen. They were not ready to start. And don't forget when late in the game and Mizzou was driving and we had bad tackles on that long run, who was out there? Not the first string. They came back in in the redzone and shut them out.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I'll call him Dan Walsh until he actually beats Alabama and doesn't play call like a wuss in a big game.

2) And we would be better if he would actually play our best players.

3) I've been right about every personnel decision this year. Suck it.

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1) So the moving goalpost of "success" under Mullen is now beating Bama? I'm sure sucked back when we hadn't beaten a top 25 team ... err, I mean, a team that hasn't finished in the top 25 ... err, whatever random stat can be used to say the he's a bad coach.

2) And yet we currently have the 2nd highest total offensive rankings in the SEC: http://secsports.go.com/statistics/football/team/total
Also, I believe we were number 2 last year as well: http://espn.go.com/college-football/...sec-conference

3) Do tell. What other personnel decisions have you been right about?

Yet he is injured.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Lee is our best RB.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You continue to defend playing an inept back and defend Dan's choice to play him. That pretty much sums up just about every one of your posts, while tweaking and only bringing up the stats you choose.

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Ive said in this thread that Williams was better and getting better. It was a good choice to not play him in a bad situation because of conditions when even Dak and Holloway were having trouble hanging onto the ball. Shump stepped up when asked to protect the ball and once the conditions got better in the second half Williams was the one to help ice the game. In a game when we didn't have to have him out there the whole time. I've also said hopefully he continues to get more touches for the final stretch. But to act like protecting the ball should not be considered is asinine.

Holloway is a warrior... If he was few inches taller and bigger he would be hell... He threw 2 great blocks in that game last night.. One was on the very first play of the game that resulted in Ross gaining 10 instead of losing 5.. The other as in the 3rd on Daks long run, where Bear also made a good down field block.. Holloway gives us all he can every game.. We just have to call on him and use him too much.. And I will question him being one of the faster guys on the team.. He got walked down on that KO return ... I wouldn't have him back there returning kicks.. He gets enough punishment already..would like to see Gray take over that role more...

Shump is a beast on special teams and the little things a RB can do.. If RSFrosh Gibson is good I hope we move Shump to defense during bowl practice and see how he does.. He could really help us out defensively more his final year IMO..

Aries should be our featured back.. He looks the part .. He needs more carries . Take the good with the bad..
But not sure Bama is game to find out.... If we have to throw it 50 times so be it..

I wonder if Lee has more off the field issues than we know about... I do hope him not traveling last night was due to an injury .. But when he has gotten his chances on the field he has looked as good as anyone ... Something just isn't right..

Mic...the sample size is too small but so far against better teams I think Williams is better than Lee. Lee has 7 rushes for 7 yards against A & M and Kentucky. Again it's really too small to say but right now I think Williams may be the better of the two. I hope they continue to push each other for the RB 1 spot as it will make them both better.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah those numbers are a problem. 1 in 23 is not a problem? and you waint to give it to him 10-15 times a game? Look I don't think that they will keep having those percentages but that is not good at all for an SEC RB. They will get better but what we don't know, you included is if they are doing it all the time as well. But what we have see, for their career compared to other RB careers on the team, they are the worse. But it hasn't even effected Williams playing time in the sense he has misse games or getting less carries. Williams is getting more reps. Hopefully he continues and the possible fumbling issues are behind him. But as far as a track record that we can see, their numbers are not good so far.

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It's not a problem because the sample size is small. The more carries he gets the better that number gets. That's where you are trying to skew things.

Everyone sees that they are better except for you and Dan. The whole body of work has to be considered and Lee and Williams though limited has been better.

Not to mention the fumbling/mistakes double standard because it's not just fumbling. Lee is a much better blocker than Holloway. Aeris is better at receiving than Holloway. Yet Holloway plays more.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

So Peters and McLaurin should be starting? That's just two personnel decisions you were advocating. JT Gray has gotten more playing time, like them. Which is what several told you would happen. They were not ready to start. And don't forget when late in the game and Mizzou was driving and we had bad tackles on that long run, who was out there? Not the first string. They came back in in the redzone and shut them out.

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I said Peters, BRYANT, and McLaurin. I was right about Gray, right about Jenkins over Warren, right about the running backs. You mentioned Gray.

Do you really want me to go into detail on how many times Coman and Zach Jackson have screwed up?

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

1) So the moving goalpost of "success" under Mullen is now beating Bama? I'm sure sucked back when we hadn't beaten a top 25 team ... err, I mean, a team that hasn't finished in the top 25 ... err, whatever random stat can be used to say the he's a bad coach.

2) And yet we currently have the 2nd highest total offensive rankings in the SEC: http://secsports.go.com/statistics/football/team/total
Also, I believe we were number 2 last year as well: http://espn.go.com/college-football/...sec-conference

3) Do tell. What other personnel decisions have you been right about?

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1) I didn't move the goal post. Beating Alabama is the next step. Dan must beat them this next game. Until then he's Dan Walsh.

2) My point is the same. We would be even better playing the best players. It's the response for any stat you pull up.

3) See above. Lee/Williams, Jenkins, Gray over Jackson, Brant and Peters over Coman and Market.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's not a problem because the sample size is small. The more carries he gets the better that number gets. That's where you are trying to skew things.

Everyone sees that they are better except for you and Dan. The whole body of work has to be considered and Lee and Williams though limited has been better.

Not to mention the fumbling/mistakes double standard because it's not just fumbling. Lee is a much better blocker than Holloway. Aeris is better at receiving than Holloway. Yet Holloway plays more.

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How is that a skewed stat? It's the only numbers we have to go by. Holloway didn't fumble his first two years of getting playing time but to ignore that is skewing the numbers. I'm not skewing anything. It should get better but you don't know that it will. Some guys have fumbling problems their whole career. We can only judge the numbers as they are not what you think or hope it will be in the future. From a baseball guy that's a stupid argument. Especially since we don't know what they look like away from the games as well. I assume what ever issues Williams has or had is not enough to complete cut him off from opportunities. He was second in rushing attempts against Kentucky. I think conditions played a big part in the decisions last night. You don't and we won't change each other minds. I saw Dak and Holloway have trouble with the ball and think they didn't want to risk a young player be put in a position to not succeed and possibly hurt his confidence. When conditions were better it was Williams they asked to carry the ball to finish up. I thought it was a good idea in a game we didn't have to depend on him so much.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I said Peters, BRYANT, and McLaurin. I was right about Gray, right about Jenkins over Warren, right about the running backs. You mentioned Gray.

Do you really want me to go into detail on how many times Coman and Zach Jackson have screwed up?

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Peters and McLaurin were your main two you wanted to start over Market, Coman, and BRYANT. And they are still not ready. How can you not see that teams go right down the field against them, the game thread blows up about Manny or how bad we tackle (did last night) and it was these guys out there. They are getting better and will be great for us. But it's just not their time to be the main guy. That includes Gray although he is the closest. Along with Peters.

Jenkins Warren thing I never got into because I thought it was a wash either way to start the year and Jenkins would wind up as the starter sooner than later. Strickly experience factor but Jenkins was close to begin with. Coin toss call and the coaches were doing what I thought they would with those two. You could argue either way but either one and our results were going to be the same. I actually thought Shump would do better than he has from what he was building on from the end of last year. He hasn't hit holes like he was then but that was a better running OL. Missed that. Your main guy for the longest has been Lee. You liked Williams and were ok with him getting more touches as long as it wasn't Shump but you were champion Lee as our best by far. I don't think he is and hasn't showed anything against the SEC (too limit of a sample, I know but it's all we have).

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

1) I didn't move the goal post. Beating Alabama is the next step. Dan must beat them this next game. Until then he's Dan Walsh.

2) My point is the same. We would be even better playing the best players. It's the response for any stat you pull up.

3) See above. Lee/Williams, Jenkins, Gray over Jackson, Brant and Peters over Coman and Market.

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1) Well okay. I guess if we beat Bama you'll just find something else to bitch about. Maybe you can go over to Nafoom and get some talking points.
2 & 3)
I'm pretty sure Diaz is the final arbiter over who plays on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe I'm wrong though.
As for the RB spot, it's not like you have some special insight when you say that Shumpert hasn't been getting the job done at RB. Holloway has actually been pretty effective there, especially in SEC play where he's averaging 5.3 yards per carry. The thing is, NONE of our running backs have lit the world on fire in the SEC. Maybe there's more to it than you think?

For the rest, you don't win games by throwing a bunch of newcomers out onto the field on day one. Those guys you mentioned are all getting more reps as the season progresses because they have had more time to adjust to the scheme, the game speed, and college life in general. I'm guessing that was the plan all along, so you claiming you were 'right' rings hollow. Everyone knows those guys all have talent. Those of us who aren't trying to be message board experts also realize that you have to bring them along unless you have a surefire NFL first round pick on hand.

Even Leonard Fournette struggled last year.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

To me he just won the tailback job tonight despite the early drop. He shows some wiggle and burst that made the line look better. We're going to have to get some explosive plays against Bama and that means a lot of Bear, Dear, Aeris, Gray, Ross.

However he must be one of those guys that can't switch hands. Every time he ran left he kept the ball in his right hand.

Also a note that with the way Mizzou was trying to beat Malone at LT by going around the edge, running right at him was the right thing to do so long as the LG and C can hold any kind of block.

I worry about his ball security but we've got to take some changes against Bama.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

How is that a skewed stat? It's the only numbers we have to go by. Holloway didn't fumble his first two years of getting playing time but to ignore that is skewing the numbers. I'm not skewing anything. It should get better but you don't know that it will. Some guys have fumbling problems their whole career. We can only judge the numbers as they are not what you think or hope it will be in the future. From a baseball guy that's a stupid argument. Especially since we don't know what they look like away from the games as well. I assume what ever issues Williams has or had is not enough to complete cut him off from opportunities. He was second in rushing attempts against Kentucky. I think conditions played a big part in the decisions last night. You don't and we won't change each other minds. I saw Dak and Holloway have trouble with the ball and think they didn't want to risk a young player be put in a position to not succeed and possibly hurt his confidence. When conditions were better it was Williams they asked to carry the ball to finish up. I thought it was a good idea in a game we didn't have to depend on him so much.

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I already explained to you that it was skewed because of the sample size. You can't assume that they will fumble either. It goes both ways. Not to mention that Holloway was a WR and then a third string running back- he hasn't had a chance to fumble in two years.

Your problem is assuming Dan is always right when the track record proves otherwise. Dan being scared to put young players who are performing a chance because of fear of failure is a huge problem. He has to trust his talent evaluation. Plus, players have to learn how to deal with making mistakes. Making them sit on the bench the whole time after a mistake is not a great way to deal with. That's scared Dan Walsh at it's finest- scared to do what it takes to win because of a "potential mistake".