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10-12-2015, 04:31 PM
fader2103

I do like where we are with our QB situation. We have never been in this situation before and Im plum tickled. Not that I am in the Staley or Fitz group. I don't care I will support whatever QB we decide to go with. I think both have a tremendous skill set. One observation is that Staley has an amazing spiral and nice touch on the ball. Someone said it earlier that Fitz has nice touch and is not afraid to go deep. So who cares who our QB aslong as they are leaders and winners.
10-12-2015, 04:33 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Lane Kiffin designed ways to get Amari Cooper over 100 catches- that doesnt even count the incompletions from passes thrown his way. Thats what offense is today- getting the ball to your biggest playmakers.

Exactly. And I bet Amari didn't have the entire playbook memorized either. When you're averaging 17 points in your biggest games....to hell with what you'd "like to do", you go with whatever puts points on the board. If that means finding ways to get Lee and Gray in the game...you're the coach and OC....DO IT!
10-12-2015, 04:34 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by fader2103

I do like where we are with our QB situation. We have never been in this situation before and Im plum tickled. Not that I am in the Staley or Fitz group. I don't care I will support whatever QB we decide to go with. I think both have a tremendous skill set. One observation is that Staley has an amazing spiral and nice touch on the ball. Someone said it earlier that Fitz has nice touch and is not afraid to go deep. So who cares who our QB aslong as they are leaders and winners.

I agree- I love the way both of them look. We'll be fine no matter who plays
10-12-2015, 04:38 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Exactly. And I bet Amari didn't have the entire playbook memorized either. When you're averaging 17 points in your biggest games....to hell with what you'd "like to do", you go with whatever puts points on the board. If that means finding ways to get Lee and Gray in the game...you're the coach and OC....DO IT!

Well in dan's defense... In our last big game, Dak ran it for over 100, Ross caught 11 passes, dear had a long td and 2 catches, bear had a big catch and fumbled, and Williams got carries, but fumbled. I thought we did a good job of getting our playmakers the ball.
10-12-2015, 04:39 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well he didn't get the ball. Gray probably played several snaps too, but instead of giving him touches and designing ways to get the ball in a playmaker's hand...it took Firz throwing into coverage for him to even get thrown to. That's my whole thing...we hardly play some of our playmaker's, and when we finally do, we don't get them the ball.

So he's playing enough but not getting enough touches?
10-12-2015, 04:45 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

So he's playing enough but not getting enough touches?

Neither. Shumpert should not be playing RB, and I would prefer seeing our best RB's on the field before we get in our 14 point deficit.

What the hell good is recruiting a Juco guy like Donald Gray if you aren't going to get him the ball against anyone but Northwestern State and Troy? Again, we're scoring 17 points a game in big games......I don't have a magic formula, but a good starting point would be to A) get your playmakers on the field, and B) design plays to get it in their hands where they might make one. If we were scoring points, I wouldn't have as much problem with it...but we aren't. So quit doing the same shit and expecting different results.

Every time we give the ball to Shumpert, we might as well take a damn knee, Bc we're wasting plays and not even trying to maximize our offense.

And I like Shump...it's not his fault that he keeps getting run out there when he's incapable of making big plays.
10-12-2015, 04:47 PM
Todd4State

As far as the running backs go- I think Troy was basically a try out game for all of them. They all got roughly the same amount of playing time and carries- Williams had the fewest carries, but he was targeted once as a receiver which brings him up to four chances when everyone else got 5-6 carries.

But I think Lee is the best we have clearly. If he's not going to class, someone needs to be assigned to him to make his ass go.
10-12-2015, 06:27 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Lane Kiffin designed ways to get Amari Cooper over 100 catches- that doesnt even count the incompletions from passes thrown his way. Thats what offense is today- getting the ball to your biggest playmakers.

Then we need to design a way to get Wilson and Ross 50 catches apiece for the rest of the way, because none of the biggest playmakers on our team are running backs.
10-12-2015, 07:51 PM
Goldendawg

I agree with most of what is being discussed here. I was at the Troy game with my seven family members as some of us have been since the early '70's. Are my 14 year old son and I wrong or did we give the ball to Holloway three times in a row up the middle on a 3 plays and out in the second half? This was three carries that really should have gone to Lee or Williams in a blow out against a team like Troy. Time of possession has really bothered me this year in about every game we have played. My son says TOP does not matter as much in a spread offense. His Dad who has been watching State since a 10 year old in 1964 thinks our defense struggles to get off the field, has free long drives with multiple plays, and I really want a running game. We have never been without a running game in my MSU life except maybe when Tommy Pharr was throwing 150 plus passes to Smith and Milner. Don't get me wrong, a win is a win, but I still think we have to be able to run and stop the run against the rest or our schedule, especially Arkansas, Mississippi, and Bama. Your thoughts appreciated. My son and I don't post much but read you guys daily. Go State.
10-12-2015, 08:06 PM
Barking 13

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I agree with most of what is being discussed here. I was at the Troy game with my seven family members as some of us have been since the early '70's. Are my 14 year old son and I wrong or did we give the ball to Holloway three times in a row up the middle on a 3 plays and out in the second half? This was three carries that really should have gone to Lee or Williams in a blow out against a team like Troy. Time of possession has really bothered me this year in about every game we have played. My son says TOP does not matter as much in a spread offense. His Dad who has been watching State since a 10 year old in 1964 thinks our defense struggles to get off the field, has free long drives with multiple plays, and I really want a running game. We have never been without a running game in my MSU life except maybe when Tommy Pharr was throwing 150 plus passes to Smith and Milner. Don't get me wrong, a win is a win, but I still think we have to be able to run and stop the run against the rest or our schedule, especially Arkansas, Mississippi, and Bama. Your thoughts appreciated. My son and I don't post much but read you guys daily. Go State.

You sir, are correct... what everybody seems to overlook is that it's not really our running backs, it all boils down to the OL.. maybe there is a reason Dak is not running, and it ain't just to get him ready for the pros. If everybody would just get their $h!t together, we wouldn't be having these discussions.
10-12-2015, 09:12 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I agree with most of what is being discussed here. I was at the Troy game with my seven family members as some of us have been since the early '70's. Are my 14 year old son and I wrong or did we give the ball to Holloway three times in a row up the middle on a 3 plays and out in the second half? This was three carries that really should have gone to Lee or Williams in a blow out against a team like Troy. Time of possession has really bothered me this year in about every game we have played. My son says TOP does not matter as much in a spread offense. His Dad who has been watching State since a 10 year old in 1964 thinks our defense struggles to get off the field, has free long drives with multiple plays, and I really want a running game. We have never been without a running game in my MSU life except maybe when Tommy Pharr was throwing 150 plus passes to Smith and Milner. Don't get me wrong, a win is a win, but I still think we have to be able to run and stop the run against the rest or our schedule, especially Arkansas, Mississippi, and Bama. Your thoughts appreciated. My son and I don't post much but read you guys daily. Go State.

We are really struggling at the RB position. It's time for Knox to go.
10-12-2015, 10:15 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'll be more than surprised if Damian is at MSU next year.

I would assume you think he will transfer down to FCS then? Otherwise, its pretty stupid to sit out the year this year when transferring to another FBS school would force him to sit out a year anyway.
10-12-2015, 10:17 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I would assume you think he will transfer down to FCS then? Otherwise, its pretty stupid to sit out the year this year when transferring to another FBS school would force him to sit out a year anyway.

I do. Whether in January or after the spring I'll be surprised if he's at MSU next year.
10-12-2015, 10:22 PM
DancingRabbit

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I would assume you think he will transfer down to FCS then? Otherwise, its pretty stupid to sit out the year this year when transferring to another FBS school would force him to sit out a year anyway.

If he graduates he doesn't have to sit out, does he?
10-12-2015, 10:25 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I agree with most of what is being discussed here. I was at the Troy game with my seven family members as some of us have been since the early '70's. Are my 14 year old son and I wrong or did we give the ball to Holloway three times in a row up the middle on a 3 plays and out in the second half? This was three carries that really should have gone to Lee or Williams in a blow out against a team like Troy. Time of possession has really bothered me this year in about every game we have played. My son says TOP does not matter as much in a spread offense. His Dad who has been watching State since a 10 year old in 1964 thinks our defense struggles to get off the field, has free long drives with multiple plays, and I really want a running game. We have never been without a running game in my MSU life except maybe when Tommy Pharr was throwing 150 plus passes to Smith and Milner. Don't get me wrong, a win is a win, but I still think we have to be able to run and stop the run against the rest or our schedule, especially Arkansas, Mississippi, and Bama. Your thoughts appreciated. My son and I don't post much but read you guys daily. Go State.

To me TOP is the most useless stat in football UNLESS you have a lead in the 4th quarter and are actually trying to milk the clock to shorten a game, then it does mean something. Otherwise, its ALL about the number of plays your offense is on the field as opposed to the other team. Seconds off the clock doesn't wear out the opposing defense, its the number of snaps they play that wears them out.
10-12-2015, 10:27 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

If he graduates he doesn't have to sit out, does he?

Possibly true, but he would have to to hang around for ANOTHER year to graduate I would assume unless he's graduating in 3 years.
10-12-2015, 10:29 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Possibly true, but he would have to to hang around for ANOTHER year to graduate I would assume unless he's graduating in 3 years.

That might be a better route for him. Stay at MSU and try to win the job. If he doesn't- get his degree and go to another D-I school for a year and start. That might be part of the reason he is redshirting this year.
10-13-2015, 11:07 AM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Which is dumb as shit, Bc he's fine with Holloway being a fly on Myles Garrett's windshield back there "protecting" Dak. At least Lee has the size to actually make a block to save Dak...Hollowsy does not. I'm tired of the bullshit excuses as to why Lee, Williams, Gray aren't playing.

We're 6 games in...if a guy like Gray and Lee can potential make plays to win you games, you AT LEAST have to put a package in for them through 6 damn games. Tell them to learn 5 ****ing plays like the back of their hand and then RUN THE DAMN PLAYS. It isn't brain surgery.

If we have guys that have been on campus two years, and they can't learn how to play RB for us....something's wrong with what we're asking them to learn.

It's garbage excuses, and I'm sick of it. Fire away, But it's ****ing trash if 2 second year players can't learn the RB scheme enough to play. I swear, Fournette would ride the damn pine for 2 years under Mullen's hardheaded ass. They aren't ready? Well TEACH them then, damn it.

For the record, I wasn't agreeing with that decision, just reading between the lines.

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