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As a black man and a liberal who hates the rebel flag both for its historical use at the scene of black lynchings, it's use by nearly every white supremacist group, and it's use by ole miss, I found nothing wrong with Mullen's statement. Those trying to criticize Mullen are really reaching. P.S. I never recognized that MSU avoids using the state flag until he said it. I'm glad they do. I guess that was one of the unseen things that made me fall in love with MSU.
Pugsley did what he wanted to do. Got to take a shot at a coach. Wonder if he will ask Saban about the Elephants being killed in Africa for their tusks. I mean that seems as important
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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
I think all the attention on Coach Mullen's answer is actually going to make it worse for Freeze. The Clarion Ledger might not be hard on him but I bet some of the other journalists are. They like attention and they know they may get it if they push Freeze on this issue. Between the flag issue and Tunsil you may see Freeze get a little testy as he's prone to do.
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Originally Posted by LC Dawg
Freeze needs to be asked the same question and also about the need to change his team name, the Rebels, the confederate flag flying in the grove and when will they change the school name from Ole Miss b/c it is racist.
I want Kellenberger to ask Freeze how his foundation in MS is going. I mean if a non-leader like Mullen can start one, surely Rev. Freeze has one too....right???
Controversy sells. It's why we're talking about this today. Kellenburger was going to create a 'controversy' either way.
Good on Mullen for not giving him what he really wanted.
Huge Cowburger is just continuing to be a POS! He also challenged Mullen's manhood and leadership ability in the end of the article! What a douche! Mullen isn't going to say bring it down it is racist because there are many of our fans who want to keep the flag. And if he says keep it, then he is a racist. There is no right answer and it shouldn't have been asked. I agree he did the best he could and didn't want this to become political. It's just stupid journalism trying to find something to create drama and write a piece on.
With the article on Mullen's response, Freeze will have a well rehearsed answer that will sound as eloquent as Shakespeare. Kellenberger will write an article praising Freeze by Friday morning. Book it.
We will see.... If Freeze speaks out against anything southern including the Stars and Bars... the whole fan base might turn on him. I mean the whole grove still flys Battle Flags and and parades Colonel Reb around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Dan should have used the term "Rebel flag" about ten times during his response.
The Ole Miss people I associate with want it changed, but perhaps that's because most of those are in their 20s. I feel like the support for the current version of the flag is now a minority for both fan bases, but I could just be naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
I don't think Freeze will speak against the state flag. I just think his answer will be a well rehearsed down the middle response. The difference will be Kellenbergers response.
My experience is opposite but the rebs I know are older. Also, you want to really piss them off? Tell them Rebel and OLE MISS need to go. I'm talking red faced mad.
I think there's a pretty clear delineation of those that want it changed and those that don't and that has to do with age. Throwing a dart, I'd probably put the number at 38-40. Most people I know that are younger than that want the flag changed, the ones older do not. The difference is the kids of the fairly racist over 40 parents that are white supremacists, some without even realizing there's anything wrong with it. You know these types, we all went to school with them. They're the ones that think there's some sort of nobility in being a redneck and supporting all of the symbols on their pickup truck.
And sadly, since this truly is Our State, most of them are fans of our fine university. The last thing they expect or want to hear is Dan come out in favor of changing the flag. Their heads would explode and their souls would be crushed from the betrayal.
Ask those same Umiss people with whom you associate if they want "ole miss" done away with as well. When they say no, ask them what's the difference. Make sure to have popcorn ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just This Once
There are a lot of Mississippians who are self identified rednecks (hard working) and drive pickup trucks that are just fine with the flag being changed. We have enough generalizations about our state, let's not add to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CohenSidedWithGreatness
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Originally Posted by CohenSidedWithGreatness
I'm speaking in generalizations from my experience, that was the whole point. I don't mean that everyone on a side of that divide is one way or the other, I'm speaking generally. And I would put it at probably 75-80% on each side of that divide. So yeah, if one person older than 40 wants the flag changed doesn't make the whole thing untrue, it just means they fall in the 20-25% range.
Well I myself know the difference. I've actually discussed it with one of my Ole Miss coworkers (who is black, male, 25). He has no problem with "Ole Miss" or "Rebels" because they weren't used like the Confederate Battle flag throughout the 60s and into day (though obviously less) as a slap in the face to blacks fighting for equal rights. He's said that it isn't the origin of terms/symbols that bother him, but the way that they have been used in the recent past.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
He's also one that thinks it is ridiculous to tear down statues or defund Civil War military parks because the history happened and it needs to be acknowledged. Though he did say that he would support changing the wording of some of the plaques and such that kind of glorify aspects of the Civil War or former generals.
And I (white, male, 23) agree with that.