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Originally Posted by Coach 57

Look you guys know me fairly well from my posts that I am as an avid Bulldawg as any on here, but Dan is Catholic. It's uhhh a little different (sarkastericks) from being a Christian. Am I saying that this is a tool that should be used by Freeze.....why not? And the comment about getting CDM to "speak at churches" is as stupid as saying Derek Taite was & is MSU greatest QB ever. Look I live & breathe Jesus & God's word....be a VERY CAREFUL about using the term "Jesus freak" in a negative connotation. In these times I wouldn't want to walk in your shoes if you did. If Freeze is using his salvation as a tool to recruit....as a MSU fan I'm fine with it. Because one thing about the Creator....HIS WILL...WILL BE DONE no matter what color polo or hat you've got on your head. Does it make CDM any less as a coach/recruiter? No. The fact of recruiting is this CDM is going to go after the 2* Benadrick's & 2* Banks. Stars don't win championships well coached players & schemes DO. Leave it at that.

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I usually agree with most everything you say, but I don't even know where to start with this. One thing I will say: If people truly believed Freeze was a "Jesus Freak" they probably wouldn't be as offended by it.

@Coach57

I respect you as a poster but you are way off base. We all know what goes on at every SEC school when it comes to recruiting. To know that and make comments that you use "faith based recruiting" is garbage. I don't see how you don't get that. It's just like being a Christian and going to a bar. I'm not going to get turned off by that unless you're sloppy drunk and preaching at me. That is essentially what Freeze is doing

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I usually agree with most everything you say, but I don't even know where to start with this. One thing I will say: If people truly believed Freeze was a "Jesus Freak" they probably wouldn't be as offended by it.

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IMO freeze is whatever he needs to be to succeed. If he was coach at Ucla recruiting the locals, he'd be preaching liberalism. He's in the Bible Belt though so he's winning recruits for Christ.

Remember this though

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Galatians 6:7 NKJV)

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Considering that it doesn't go with the message board party line that Brett is the cause of our problems your response isn't surprising.

But please.....rail away at the great and powerful OZ Bracky Brett behind the curtain. It sounds SO smart.

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Disagreeing and writing a bunch of psychobabble bs without knowing what the hell you are talking about sounds SO much smarter...

Arguing the point that Bracky is a huge problem not only shows that you don't have a clue -- it shows that you lack any semblance of common sense.

NO ONE is saying he's the only problem we have -- but it's a huge, glaring f'n problem -- that has NOW set our football recruiting back for 7 years over a total of a $2k discount on a car and about $600 in impermissible benefits -- lest we be hit for repeat offenders and thrown to the wolves just like 2003. This NEVER becomes an issue anywhere else. Why? Because they had NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. That is -- until Bracky threw Redmond to the wolves without representation -- or the knowledge that he was entitled to representation -- and let the NCAA grill him with questions without any prior knowledge or prep work to deal with it.

EVERYWHERE else, Will is told "there are some discrepancies here and the NCAA will be calling -- here's a lawyer that will help you out for free that does a great job -- be prepared to answer x,y,z question and have paperwork in hand for x,y,z." Said lawyer then fixes and sweeps the "problems" under the rug prior to the investigation. The NCAA is suspicious but can't prove jack. We tell them to go F themselves. And EVERYONE walks. That's how the big boys do it. And that's why we aren't a big boy.

I could hit HALF of Ole Miss's baseball record holders from the 00s with over $2k in impermissible benefits to this day...so don't give me bs about us being some kind of dumb ass cheaters. We're dumbasses about how we deal with the whispers of impropriety -- not how we carry out those improprieties...

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The Christian faith thing should be pretty easy for Dan to fix.

1. Have Dan talk at a few churches.

2. Put something out there on video about Dan talking about his faith.

Fixed.

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A quick google of Mullen's bio show that he is very likely Cristian. Usually folks that attend Catholic high school and name their child Canon (not the big gun) are Christian. If kids and mommas want to fall for that kind of trash talk, I doubt the kid has enough intelligence to learn the play book.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

IMO freeze is whatever he needs to be to succeed. If he was coach at Ucla recruiting the locals, he'd be preaching liberalism. He's in the Bible Belt though so he's winning recruits for Christ.

Remember this though

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. (Galatians 6:7 NKJV)

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I think you should tweet this to Brother Freesus...

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Considering that it doesn't go with the message board party line that Brett is the cause of our problems your response isn't surprising.

But please.....rail away at the great and powerful OZ Bracky Brett behind the curtain. It sounds SO smart.

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It's easy to derive from your soliloquy that you have a very rudimentary understanding of what a compliance department does. That's fine, but don't go telling everyone else they are stupid for placing blame on it. I think if you learned more about how compliance works you would change your tune.

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Originally Posted by engie

Disagreeing and writing a bunch of psychobabble bs without knowing what the hell you are talking about sounds SO much smarter...

Arguing the point that Bracky is a huge problem not only shows that you don't have a clue -- it shows that you lack any semblance of common sense.

NO ONE is saying he's the only problem we have -- but it's a huge, glaring f'n problem -- that has NOW set our football recruiting back for 7 years over a total of a $2k discount on a car and about $600 in impermissible benefits -- lest we be hit for repeat offenders and thrown to the wolves just like 2003. This NEVER becomes an issue anywhere else. Why? Because they had NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. That is -- until Bracky threw Redmond to the wolves without representation -- or the knowledge that he was entitled to representation -- and let the NCAA grill him with questions without any prior knowledge or prep work to deal with it.

EVERYWHERE else, Will is told "there are some discrepancies here and the NCAA will be calling -- here's a lawyer that will help you out for free that does a great job -- be prepared to answer x,y,z question and have paperwork in hand for x,y,z." Said lawyer then fixes and sweeps the "problems" under the rug prior to the investigation. The NCAA is suspicious but can't prove jack. We tell them to go F themselves. And EVERYONE walks. That's how the big boys do it. And that's why we aren't a big boy.

I could hit HALF of Ole Miss's baseball record holders from the 00s with over $2k in impermissible benefits to this day...so don't give me bs about us being some kind of dumb ass cheaters. We're dumbasses about how we deal with the whispers of impropriety -- not how we carry out those improprieties...

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

"What we need to do as State fans is let this recruiting tactic be known so recruits and their parents are aware of it and potentially question it's authenticity."


Exactly. What are we really complaining about? The fact that we don't cheat as well as others? That our leadership doesn't have the pull on the upper levels that other schools have? Well sure.

News flash everyone: The compliance officer doesn't control who has a lawyer and who doesn't. He doesn't control the back room deals on the NCAA capital hill. That is the president of our university. But in the end, even he doesn't control US, the numbskulls who do things in public that get us caught. It isn't the kids, or the coaches, it's us.

Now do other fan bases break the rules without caring? Of course they do. Does the ncaa turn the other way on certain schools? Holy mother of Maurice Clarette you bet they do. But that has to do with the influence they have at the highest level. That is where the backroom deals are made.

Compliance offices only advise WHAT the rules are to those who present them with questions. It's an office set up to show the NCAA that the school is attempting to educate those involved in the recruiting process instead of shrugging shoulders when the penalties come down. How our university is defended is based on it's highest leadership.


How about we all grow up and think a bit bigger? Who did billy brewer get upset at when he went down? Gerald Turner. And with good reason. Turner, rightly, turned his back on the moron for being such a dumbass. When did the investigation really start on Sherrill? When we had an Interim president and nobody to protect us on the highest level. Donald Z would have never let that happen. Robert Khyat would have never let Brewers career end the way it did. How does any head coach 'get away with it'? The chancellor or the president of the university having some pull is how.

Oh, anyone remember who was the president of the NCAA when the Maurice Clarette scandal happened at Ohio State? The former PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.

Complaining about Bracky is like swatting at a gnat with an axe.

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It's almost like you wrote the job description and made the hire. At best your description is a very dated view of what the compliance director should be doing, and in all honesty this is probably all LT (I'm guessing LT hired Bracky; I don't know but I'm sure some of you others do) expected of him. Like everyone else is saying, this day and age his role should be to, umm, "educate" the coaches/players on certain "things". I think you catch my drift here.

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Originally Posted by SignalToNoise

It's almost like you wrote the job description and made the hire. At best your description is a very dated view of what the compliance director should be doing, and in all honesty this is probably all LT (I'm guessing LT hired Bracky; I don't know but I'm sure some of you others do) expected of him. Like everyone else is saying, this day and age his role should be to, umm, "educate" the coaches/players on certain "things". I think you catch my drift here.

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Yes, Bracky is a Templedick holdover. That should tell everyone all they need to know about Bracky's "competence" to perform his job. FIRE BRACKY!

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Originally Posted by engie

Disagreeing and writing a bunch of psychobabble bs without knowing what the hell you are talking about sounds SO much smarter...

Arguing the point that Bracky is a huge problem not only shows that you don't have a clue -- it shows that you lack any semblance of common sense.

NO ONE is saying he's the only problem we have -- but it's a huge, glaring f'n problem -- that has NOW set our football recruiting back for 7 years over a total of a $2k discount on a car and about $600 in impermissible benefits -- lest we be hit for repeat offenders and thrown to the wolves just like 2003. This NEVER becomes an issue anywhere else. Why? Because they had NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. That is -- until Bracky threw Redmond to the wolves without representation -- or the knowledge that he was entitled to representation -- and let the NCAA grill him with questions without any prior knowledge or prep work to deal with it.

EVERYWHERE else, Will is told "there are some discrepancies here and the NCAA will be calling -- here's a lawyer that will help you out for free that does a great job -- be prepared to answer x,y,z question and have paperwork in hand for x,y,z." Said lawyer then fixes and sweeps the "problems" under the rug prior to the investigation. The NCAA is suspicious but can't prove jack. We tell them to go F themselves. And EVERYONE walks. That's how the big boys do it. And that's why we aren't a big boy.

I could hit HALF of Ole Miss's baseball record holders from the 00s with over $2k in impermissible benefits to this day...so don't give me bs about us being some kind of dumb ass cheaters. We're dumbasses about how we deal with the whispers of impropriety -- not how we carry out those improprieties...

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Boom! Roasted. Once aGAIN, Engie droppin' bombs on folks.

@ Beastman & Hack

Look I know (as well as anybody on this board) the shenanigans that are pulled not just by UM but by ALL those who recruit. I'm not agreeing with those antics perpetrated by anybody much less someone who claims to know & have a relationship with Christ. My point was IF (and it's a big if) a coach who maintained a clean program, was a legit man of God and was a good coach came into my living room to recruit my beast of a son to his school.....show me the dotted line and I will help him understand why he (my kid) would be better off playing for said coach. To me there is NOTHING wrong with the angle. I didn't say I agree with the things that go on during official visits or after the signing. Scripture asks those that are in Christ to be as Jesus taught Peter...."be fishers of men". Did any of you keep up with how Christ was very profound during the baseball team's awesome season? Pretty remarkable stuff indeed.

Only in the south do you recruit a D1 players parents to sunday school versus football.

SMH

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Originally Posted by Coach 57

Look I know (as well as anybody on this board)

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You (and others on this board, Todd in particular) would be much better posters if you'd keep your ego in check. King Jackie said on the radio yesterday, "If you have to tell people who you are, then they don't really know who you are". You guys don't have to spell out how awesome you are and how much you know.

By the way I agree with all your points in this thread.

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Originally Posted by engie

Arguing the point that Bracky is a huge problem not only shows that you don't have a clue -- it shows that you lack any semblance of common sense.

NO ONE is saying he's the only problem we have -- but it's a huge, glaring f'n problem -- that has NOW set our football recruiting back for 7 years over a total of a $2k discount on a car and about $600 in impermissible benefits -- lest we be hit for repeat offenders and thrown to the wolves just like 2003. This NEVER becomes an issue anywhere else. Why? Because they had NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. That is -- until Bracky threw Redmond to the wolves without representation -- or the knowledge that he was entitled to representation -- and let the NCAA grill him with questions without any prior knowledge or prep work to deal with it.

EVERYWHERE else, Will is told "there are some discrepancies here and the NCAA will be calling -- here's a lawyer that will help you out for free that does a great job -- be prepared to answer x,y,z question and have paperwork in hand for x,y,z." Said lawyer then fixes and sweeps the "problems" under the rug prior to the investigation. The NCAA is suspicious but can't prove jack. We tell them to go F themselves. And EVERYONE walks. That's how the big boys do it. And that's why we aren't a big boy.

I could hit HALF of Ole Miss's baseball record holders from the 00s with over $2k in impermissible benefits to this day...so don't give me bs about us being some kind of dumb ass cheaters. We're dumbasses about how we deal with the whispers of impropriety -- not how we carry out those improprieties...

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Quite simply- it can't be explained any better than that

you are as outspoken as anyone on this board and you say something like this to other posters ????

The problem with that line is that its not sincere. How would you feel about this hypothetical company: Faith Builders. A Christian contracting and building company. The owner constantly sells his faith as to why he's successful and constantly publicly pushes his "morals". Said owner uses his relationships with inspectors to skate building codes and break the rules/law to benefit his company.

If you are ok with Freeze, you should be ok with that. Don't confuse my issue with Freeze as an issue with faith. You are missing the boat big time if you do. The crux of this issue is that Freeze is using the guise of Christian morals to sell and succeed in a known curupt institution (recruiting). If you can't understand that I really can't say anything else.

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Originally Posted by Coach 57

@ Beastman & Hack

Look I know (as well as anybody on this board) the shenanigans that are pulled not just by UM but by ALL those who recruit. I'm not agreeing with those antics perpetrated by anybody much less someone who claims to know & have a relationship with Christ. My point was IF (and it's a big if) a coach who maintained a clean program, was a legit man of God and was a good coach came into my living room to recruit my beast of a son to his school.....show me the dotted line and I will help him understand why he (my kid) would be better off playing for said coach. To me there is NOTHING wrong with the angle. I didn't say I agree with the things that go on during official visits or after the signing. Scripture asks those that are in Christ to be as Jesus taught Peter...."be fishers of men". Did any of you keep up with how Christ was very profound during the baseball team's awesome season? Pretty remarkable stuff indeed.

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Good Post...

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

The problem with that line is that its not sincere. How would you feel about this hypothetical company: Faith Builders. A Christian contracting and building company. The owner constantly sells his faith as to why he's successful and constantly publicly pushes his "morals". Said owner uses his relationships with inspectors to skate building codes and break the rules/law to benefit his company.

If you are ok with Freeze, you should be ok with that. Don't confuse my issue with Freeze as an issue with faith. You are missing the boat big time if you do. The crux of this issue is that Freeze is using the guise of Christian morals to sell and succeed in a known curupt institution (recruiting). If you can't understand that I really can't say anything else.

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I understand this point of view and to tell the truth, I have no clue what they are doing up there behind the scenes. But just like Urban can't be blamed for Hernandez, you can't blame Freeze for what the players do, what recruits do, what boosters do. Coaches are like figure heads for a whole school. Perhaps Freeze is trying to use his position for the betterment of everyone? Who knows. But he can't control everyone, boosters included.

I guess in the end this is such a petty thing to grasp ahold of when talking about Ole Miss.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

You (and others on this board, Todd in particular) would be much better posters if you'd keep your ego in check. King Jackie said on the radio yesterday, "If you have to tell people who you are, then they don't really know who you are". You guys don't have to spell out how awesome you are and how much you know.

By the way I agree with all your points in this thread.

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Hilarious. Especially from you.

We all have strong feelings and opinions and I actually like that we can express them freely.

Coach57 and Todd are the last people who need to rein in their "egos" or their opinions. They are two of the most respected posters BECAUSE of their knowledge of their interests.

I'm all for the free flow of ideas whether I agree with them or not.