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05-09-2015, 10:08 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BossDawg

2 years? We should be in a super RIGHT NOW! Teams that are 2 years separated from a deep CWS run should not be THIS bad.

Yea that makes sense*****
I mean teams never have a down year after a great run. Wait, you mean ucla had a losing record last year? And Florida after their cws run had a down year? And ar st? And Clemson? And Lsu missed a regional 2 years after a natty? It happens. It's one season.
05-09-2015, 10:11 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Today was horrible. But y'all need to get a grip on reality. Somebody bookmark this thread and bump it two years from now when we are in a super.

I think the problem today was that our players and coaches had the same mindset as the OM people, who left early, thinking the game was over after the 8th inning.
05-09-2015, 10:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Smitty

So Indiana is the equivalent of Mississippi State in college baseball??

Before he got there in 2006 Indiana had 2 winning Big Ten records in 9 seasons and hadn't made a Regional since 1996.

Sounds a lot like Cohen and ky doesn't it. Except ky was even worse than Indiana when both coaches took over.
05-09-2015, 10:12 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Smitty

Slugging pct - 2013
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1. Indiana............. .443
2. Illinois............ .406
3. Michigan State...... .377
4. Nebraska............ .368
5. Michigan............ .364
6. Northwestern........ .357
7. Purdue.............. .346
8. Ohio State.......... .341
9. Minnesota........... .340
10.Penn State.......... .311
11.Iowa................ .308

Slugging pct- 2014
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1. Indiana............. .434
2. Iowa................ .390
3. Nebraska............ .384
4. Illinois............ .365
5. Ohio State.......... .363
6. Michigan State...... .359
7. Northwestern........ .350
8. Michigan............ .345
9. Minnesota........... .335
10.Penn State.......... .306
11.Purdue.............. .305

Cohen's 5 Kentucky teams (the first two of which were awful) had these 5 slugging percentages (according to ukathletics.com/)
.453, .441, .523, .482, .516

So 4 of the 5 years (excepting one of the really bad ones), Cohen's Kentucky teams were even better at slugging than Smith's best 2 Indiana teams (and the only 2 teams Smith had in 9 years that weren't worse than 2015 Mississippi State). Guess these things don't always translate from school to school, even with the same coach.
05-09-2015, 10:13 PM
Bully13

I got a 2 week band for this shit a month ago... suck it pussies..
05-09-2015, 10:14 PM
Smitty

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Cohen's 5 Kentucky teams (the first two of which were awful) had these 5 slugging percentages (according to ukathletics.com/)
.453, .441, .523, .482, .516

So 4 of the 5 years (excepting one of the really bad ones), Cohen's Kentucky teams were even better at slugging than Smith's best 2 Indiana teams (and the only 2 teams Smith had in 9 years that weren't worse than 2015 Mississippi State). Guess these things don't always translate from school to school, even with the same coach.

1. Different bats different era
2. Indiana's field is bigger than DNF

Thanks for playing.
05-09-2015, 10:14 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Smitty

Slugging pct - 2013
------------
1. Indiana............. .443
2. Illinois............ .406
3. Michigan State...... .377
4. Nebraska............ .368
5. Michigan............ .364
6. Northwestern........ .357
7. Purdue.............. .346
8. Ohio State.......... .341
9. Minnesota........... .340
10.Penn State.......... .311
11.Iowa................ .308

Slugging pct- 2014
------------
1. Indiana............. .434
2. Iowa................ .390
3. Nebraska............ .384
4. Illinois............ .365
5. Ohio State.......... .363
6. Michigan State...... .359
7. Northwestern........ .350
8. Michigan............ .345
9. Minnesota........... .335
10.Penn State.......... .306
11.Purdue.............. .305

So he had the best hitting team in the tenth best conference in baseball. Ok. Cohen did that at ky in the best conference in college baseball.
05-09-2015, 10:17 PM
Smitty

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Originally Posted by confucius say

So he had the best hitting team in the tenth best conference in baseball. Ok. Cohen did that at ky in the best conference in college baseball.

Earned run avg - 2013
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1. Indiana............. 2.64
2. Minnesota........... 2.89
3. Michigan State...... 3.22
4. Ohio State.......... 3.24
5. Northwestern........ 3.41
6. Illinois............ 3.76
7. Iowa................ 4.07
8. Michigan............ 4.10
9. Nebraska............ 4.68
10.Penn State.......... 4.84
11.Purdue.............. 6.46

Earned run avg-2014
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1. Indiana............. 2.33
2. Michigan State...... 3.09
3. Michigan............ 3.21
4. Illinois............ 3.25
5. Nebraska............ 3.50
6. Ohio State.......... 3.61
7. Minnesota........... 3.76
8. Iowa................ 4.34
9. Northwestern........ 4.73
10.Penn State.......... 4.77
11.Purdue.............. 6.00
05-09-2015, 10:18 PM
Quaoarsking

Again,

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If you were an Indiana fan, you would have been calling for Smith's head long before he made it to 2013. After the 2012 season, Smith had been at Indiana 7 years with a single appearance in a Regional (in which they were a 4 seed and went 0-2).

Posting some cherry-picked stats from his two best seasons (the other 7 were worse than our current team) is being intentionally misleading.
05-09-2015, 10:19 PM
Smitty

QK you are ignoring the GLARING issues that Cohen has that CANNOT lead to success… Other teams' have down years? Great. Do their coaches play an ACTIVE role in that? Our coach CANNOT maximize what he has.
05-09-2015, 10:22 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Smitty

Earned run avg - 2013
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.64
2. Minnesota........... 2.89
3. Michigan State...... 3.22
4. Ohio State.......... 3.24
5. Northwestern........ 3.41
6. Illinois............ 3.76
7. Iowa................ 4.07
8. Michigan............ 4.10
9. Nebraska............ 4.68
10.Penn State.......... 4.84
11.Purdue.............. 6.46

Earned run avg-2014
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.33
2. Michigan State...... 3.09
3. Michigan............ 3.21
4. Illinois............ 3.25
5. Nebraska............ 3.50
6. Ohio State.......... 3.61
7. Minnesota........... 3.76
8. Iowa................ 4.34
9. Northwestern........ 4.73
10.Penn State.......... 4.77
11.Purdue.............. 6.00

And?? Same principle applies. What Cohen did in five years at ky is easily more impressive than what smith did in his first five years at Indiana (and I'll even grant you all of smiths years at Indiana).
05-09-2015, 10:23 PM
Smitty

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Again,

Posting some cherry-picked stats from his two best seasons (the other 7 were worse than our current team) is being intentionally misleading.

What he did was take Vandy to the football SEC Championship game…twice. The program he took over and what Cohen took over at MSU cannot be compared as apples-apples.

You would have a new coach at Vandy and a new coach at Auburn be judged equally
05-09-2015, 10:23 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Sounds a lot like Cohen and ky doesn't it. Except ky was even worse than Indiana when both coaches took over.

Kentucky was 9-20 in sec play the year before Cohen took over. We have to win one more game to match that total
05-09-2015, 10:27 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Smitty

QK you are ignoring the GLARING issues that Cohen has that CANNOT lead to success… Other teams' have down years? Great. Do their coaches play an ACTIVE role in that? Our coach CANNOT maximize what he has.

So Other coaches don't play an active role in their teams down years? Are you effing high?? That is a horrible
Argument. Find me one fan base that went through a down year and said, nope, coach didn't actively contribute to that at all.
05-09-2015, 10:30 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Kentucky was 9-20 in sec play the year before Cohen took over. We have to win one more game to match that total

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.
05-09-2015, 10:33 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

The staff is average at coaching baseball. The players we need aren't coming to play for that anymore just because of the dude and the atmosphere. Reality is this train is off the tracks. If you don't know make sure and turn up your hearing aid so you can hear the whistle before it blows your ass up.

I'm sick of confucious... you are beginning to to suck... and suck hard
05-09-2015, 10:35 PM
Smitty

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Originally Posted by confucius say

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.

1. Our program is in terrible shape
2. We have great players coming in.
3. We have a coach that meddles, wastes, takes years to get anything out of talent.
4. We need to get someone who won't **** up a great opportunity.
05-09-2015, 10:37 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.

Seems to me the records are pretty much the same. What we did the last 4 years doesn't seem to have helped us one bit this year.
05-09-2015, 10:41 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Bully13

I'm sick of confucious... you are beginning to to suck... and suck hard

I didn't post that. But sorry you are sick of me. Is it bc of the facts I've posted, or just that you think I take up for Cohen too much? He deserves criticism. But our fans wanting to run him off and demanding changes are delusional.
05-09-2015, 10:44 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Seems to me the records are pretty much the same. What we did the last 4 years doesn't seem to have helped us one bit this year.

It's not about this year people! Everybody agrees this year is horrible. I'm asking you if you think our program is on par with ky program circa 2003? Bc if the answer is yes, I cannot help you. The status of a program is made up of more than one year, no?

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