Rick Ray gets a 4-star commit tonight

So I hear our basketball program got a 4 star player to committ. That's pretty good in any sport right?

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So I hear our basketball program got a 4 star player to committ. That's pretty good in any sport right?

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Doesn't matter if ray coaches him***

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Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg

Winning has nothing to do with the real reason you don't support Rick Ray.

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wtf, enlighten me then Chief

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Originally Posted by engie

No.


Yes -- you did. You've backed way off on the "Malik Newman is 100% not coming to MSU and anyone discussing it is a basketball idiot!!1!1" approach. Quietly -- without ever admitting you were being a dumbass. I let that one slide -- I'm not letting you off easy on the Ray hatred you've spewed in the most ignorant and indignant manner possible.


So you keep telling us.


You should tell that to the dude you wanted to cut at last year that is currently .556 from 3 @ 5-9. We've got 4 players on this team that can shoot 3s on a pretty high level.


Sword isn't a 3 or 4.
Thomas isn't a 3 or 4.
Ready isn't a 3 or 4.
Dunlap isn't a 3 or 4.
etc...


righttttt


LOL


Don't let the 7 total in the first half fool you when we obviously took our foot off the gas and lost focus -- nor the part where we were without our two starting primary ball handlers.


I haven't seen terrible this year and neither have you.


It's exactly the opposite in reality. You are the one that's agenda-blinded.


Another hilarious hypocrisy coming from you. I've forgotten more about the game of basketball than you will every actually know. You've yet to bring a single basketball insight beyond the most elementary, church league level. If you are pretty confident in know" -- both of us live blog a game on here -- and let the site decides who knows the game better. You'll be shocked at the outcome.

17 or more wins -- you don't talk basketball anymore. 16 or fewer -- I don't. Deal? You seem pretty sure about what you are watching, so this should be a no-brainer right?

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Engie I can't reply to this bubble quote garbage. You turn the reply with quote option into some massive jumbled mess with ten quotes in it. You do it all the time and nobody really reads it because it's too long. When conversing with someone it's best to keep your responses shorter. One paragraph or less with me. Want me to reply to you stop putting a fu@king novel of bubble quotes down.

I'm not partaking in some retarded bet where either way this board losses out on you and my's non-stop entertaining Rick Ray fight. Where's the fun in that? Plus you already made that bet with Preacher.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ray needs to get back in the middle of the pack in the SEC. WE ALL EXPECT THAT out of our program. He's had 2 time to cleanse and start building- it's time to be better.

We're 2-0 now and look improved. That should leave to some optimism. Get out there Saturday and give them some home crowd advantage. We need it

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Ray just needs to recruit. College basketball is all about talent. You can have a developmental football team, but not basketball. Ray could be an awesome floor coach, but we won't get to see it until he puts some kids on the floor that can play.

His classes so far have been terrible, and that's on him. He might have been in a bad way with boosters or whatever, but it's his job to figure it out and get guys in.

This guy is a good start, but he needs to get it going in 2015. Land Newman and he's got something to work from. I like Ray. I'll support Ray, but he's got to make some big strides on recruiting or we need to go another direction. I don't really care what the circumstances are.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Engie I can't reply to this bubble quote garbage. You turn the reply with quote option into some massive jumbled mess with ten quotes in it. You do it all the time and nobody really reads it because it's too long. When conversing with someone it's best to keep your responses shorter. One paragraph or less with me. Want me to reply to you stop putting a fu@king novel of bubble quotes down.

I'm not partaking in some retarded bet where either way this board losses out on you and my's non-stop entertaining Rick Ray fight. Where's the fun in that? Plus you already made that bet with Preacher.

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So you've got a short attention span -- are ignorant -- and don't actually believe your position then?

Seems like we're just further establishing what we already know.

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Originally Posted by codeDawg

Ray just needs to recruit. College basketball is all about talent. You can have a developmental football team, but not basketball.

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Where does this consistent misconception come from? Half or more of the teams that go deep in March are developmental basketball programs.

Fact - the ENTIRE SEC recruits top 25 talent in basketball
Fact - the ENTIRE SEC outside of Kentucky and Florida sucks in basketball

How many times do we have to see the same model fail all around us before our fanbase is willing to actually try a different model?

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Originally Posted by engie

So you've got a short attention span -- are ignorant -- and don't actually believe your position then?

Seems like we're just further establishing what we already know.

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Twenty wins dude. Stansbury won 21 games and then got fired. You don't get to lower the bar to ridiculously low standards just so Ray has a chance to meet them. You don't get to play the Ole Miss **** Stars game and get everyone focused on phantom possible star commits from Malik Newman and players that won't even see the Hump floor till 2016 to distract us from the mess we're trotting out right now in YEAR THREE. Year three the year of No Point Guard. Hey guys remember that year we tried to play without a point guard? Oh yea that's this year.

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Originally Posted by engie

Fact - the ENTIRE SEC recruits top 25 talent in basketball

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Wut? How many ESPN top 100 basketball players have we signed in the last 5 years?

#crootinisallthatmatters*

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Twenty wins dude. Stansbury won 21 games and then got fired. You don't get to lower the bar to ridiculously low standards just so Ray has a chance to meet them. You don't get to play the Ole Miss **** Stars game and get everyone focused on phantom possible star commits from Malik Newman and players that won't even see the Hump floor till 2016 to distract us from the mess we're trotting out right now in YEAR THREE. Year three the year of No Point Guard. Hey guys remember that year we tried to play without a point guard? Oh yea that's this year.

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Dawg61 just nailed it!

http://media.giphy.com/media/d5KuLHHTSaRnG/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Engie I can't reply to this bubble quote garbage. You turn the reply with quote option into some massive jumbled mess with ten quotes in it. You do it all the time and nobody really reads it because it's too long. When conversing with someone it's best to keep your responses shorter. One paragraph or less with me. Want me to reply to you stop putting a fu@king novel of bubble quotes down.

I'm not partaking in some retarded bet where either way this board losses out on you and my's non-stop entertaining Rick Ray fight. Where's the fun in that? Plus you already made that bet with Preacher.

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im taking one for the team.. Just imagine how awesome it would be to never have to listen to Engie spew off all this nonsense. No more basketball posts for engie ever. Wow. AWESOMENESS!

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

im taking one for the team.. Just imagine how awesome it would be to never have to listen to Engie spew off all this nonsense. No more basketball posts for engie ever. Wow. AWESOMENESS!

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It's going to be glorious when you can't post here -- and it would be glorious for the same with Dawg61 if he actually believed the bullshit that comes out of his mouth...

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Dawg61 just nailed it!

http://media.giphy.com/media/d5KuLHHTSaRnG/giphy.gif

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It's cute how you all come running to each other's back everytime someone posterizes your ridiculousness. Group think mentality and need for affirmation -- a prevailing characteristic of the weak.

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Originally Posted by engie

It's going to be glorious when you can't post here -- and it would be glorious for the same with Dawg61 if he actually believed the bullshit that comes out of his mouth...

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Twenty wins Engie. That's one less than the 21 Stansbury got when he got fired. Ray has an easier OOC schedule too. It's year three. You don't think he can win twenty games? That won't even get us in the tourney. 20 wins puts us in the NIT. Maybe. You don't think we can do that? Why not? It's year three.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Twenty wins dude. Stansbury won 21 games and then got fired.

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With Elite 8 talent. You contest that Cohen should have been fired in year 3 for not being at our ceiling as a program, correct?

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You don't get to lower the bar to ridiculously low standards just so Ray has a chance to meet them.

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No one is lowering any standards. People have a reasonable ramp up for expectations from a total shitshow. Well, people with a shred of common sense do.

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You don't get to play the Ole Miss **** Stars game and get everyone focused on phantom possible star commits from Malik Newman and players that won't even see the Hump floor till 2016 to distract us from the mess we're trotting out right now in YEAR THREE.

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What mess is that again?

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Year three the year of No Point Guard.

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I count 2.5 point guards.

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Hey guys remember that year we tried to play without a point guard? Oh yea that's this year.

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This is why you are basketball ignorant. Not only basketball ignorant -- but ignorant of that fact.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

im taking one for the team.. Just imagine how awesome it would be to never have to listen to Engie spew off all this nonsense. No more basketball posts for engie ever. Wow. AWESOMENESS!

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No offense preacher because you're usually a pretty good poster, but judging by the fact that you were leading the charge to have Mullen replaced last year, I wouldn't be real confident in your own ability to judge a coach and his potential for future success if I were you.

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Originally Posted by engie

Where does this consistent misconception come from? Half or more of the teams that go deep in March are developmental basketball programs.

Fact - the ENTIRE SEC recruits top 25 talent in basketball
Fact - the ENTIRE SEC outside of Kentucky and Florida sucks in basketball

How many times do we have to see the same model fail all around us before our fanbase is willing to actually try a different model?

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I don't think they are mutually exclusive. How about we get a guy that recruits pretty well and coaches pretty well too. We might be pretty good. Stans couldn't coach, Ray isn't recruiting well so far. You have to have players and put them in position to make plays.

Basketball isn't like football. The kids that can play are mostly on AAU teams and they play a lot. If you are worth a damn, you are going to get exposure. There are far fewer "diamonds" in the rough, even in MS. Yes, we can get some role players, buy you have to have a star to really make waves.

And according to 247, the SEC schools in the top 25:
2014: UK(2), Florida(9), Bama(24)
2013: UK(1), Florida (16), Arkansas (22), South Carolina (25)
2012: UK(2)
2011: UK(1), Arkansas (7), Alabama (9), Florida(14), State (15), Vandy (22)
2010: UK(1), Tennessee (6), Florida (7), Alabama(19), South Carolina (23)

The SEC does not consistently recruit in the top 25, and that's why the SEC sucks. UK and Florida are consistently on the top of that list and consistently win. Talent makes a big difference. I'm not saying that we can go get Cal or Billy Donavan, but so far Rick Ray has sucked at half of his job, so we don't really get to see if he is any good at the other half.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Twenty wins Engie. That's one less than the 21 Stansbury got when he got fired. Ray has an easier OOC schedule too. It's year three. You don't think he can win twenty games? That won't even get us in the tourney. 20 wins puts us in the NIT. Maybe. You don't think we can do that? Why not? It's year three.

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Precisely because it's year 3 of a total rebuild is why it's an unreasonable expectation for him to match what our "best ever coach" was able to do in year 14 with FOUR starters projected at one time or another as NBA lottery picks, who was talked about all over the web as having an "elite 8 talent" team -- before crumbling down the stretch and going first out in the SEC and NIT tourneys...

No one is saying they will be "happy" longterm with the 18-20ish wins we're probably going to get this year. We are acknowledging that it's significant movement in the right direction, with brighter days on the horizon with THIS regime, who is now playing you for a "RAY CAN'T CROOT!!!1!1" fool.

It's funny how you bring up the "easier OOC" schedule -- while ignoring the previous SEC schedule being much easier under Stans when we still had divisions and got all of the west teams twice, while only playing the(far superior) east teams once.

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Originally Posted by engie

With Elite 8 talent. You contest that Cohen should have been fired in year 3 for not being at our ceiling as a program, correct?


No one is lowering any standards. People have a reasonable ramp up for expectations from a total shitshow. Well, people with a shred of common sense do.


What mess is that again?


I count 2.5 point guards.


This is why you are basketball ignorant. Not only basketball ignorant -- but ignorant of that fact.

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And you continue to be an asshat and puke all over the page with bubble quotes. Want a reply? One paragraph or less. One quote. This board will be so much better when you start posting like everyone else.