This won't be popular, but....

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't agree that Auburn is a finesse running team. They are a very physical team and they do a lot of things with their running game, which makes it hard to defend on both fronts.

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this guy gets it.

Ole Miss does not have the offense to beat Auburn. Bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

Right. All I'm saying is LSU was the perfect mismatch for Ole Miss. They are a power running, pro style offense, with elite defensive backs. While we are probably the most physical team in college football, we have a completely different offensive scheme and we lack elite defensive backs. Auburn also has a completely different offensive scheme and lacks elite defensive backs. We are better than all three teams, but sometimes it's more about matchups and where the game is played than who is the better overall team...

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We may not have elite DBs, but the weakness is getting beat deep, not tackling (cleveland's whiff at kentucky notwithstanding). Bro wallace can't throw it deep, and if he tries, we'll have a bunch of ints because he floats it like a weak armed QB tends to do. Treadwell and co. are a good batch of WRs, but if we tackle like we have all but a handful of plays this season, they won't be going crazy passing the ball.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So did they smashmouth us? I thought our D was great against Smashmouth teams, but Auburn ran it on us. So either they aren't "smashmouth", or we don't shut down smashmouth teams and we should be more concerned with Arkansas.

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They ran it on us bc they're good. They're damn good at running the ball. Their oline made holes against us and CAP drug some of our guys for extra yards. They also make you respect the pass bc they have 2 HR hitters on the outside.

Their zone read is lethal. They can smash up the middle (cap) or beat you with speed (Marshall) to the outside.

OM swarms to the ball and that's not a good thing against auburn bc the ball isn't going where you think half the time

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Marshall IS their offense, and their is no smashmouth element to Marshall....so how can they be a smashmouth team?

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This is as full retard as you've gone on something in awhile.

They are just as good with the actually smashmouth backup QB. Or haven't you gotten that memo? Since when does the QB have to be a "smashmouth runner" to have a "smashmouth offense"? Jennings and LSU missed that memo. Auburn throws a bunch of pre-snap trickeration -- then they run right over your asses.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Ole Miss does not have the offense to beat Auburn. Bottom line.

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Yeah. Auburn may not have the top ranked defense, but will it be good enough to hold Bo dirt's low power O in check? I think so.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They ran it on us bc they're good. They're damn good at running the ball. Their oline made holes against us and CAP drug some of our guys for extra yards. They also make you respect the pass bc they have 2 HR hitters on the outside.

Their zone read is lethal. They can smash up the middle (cap) or beat you with speed (Marshall) to the outside.

OM swarms to the ball and that's not a good thing against auburn bc the ball isn't going where you think half the time

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I agree, but 17 carries and 100 yards rushing for Marshall go against the Smashmouth criteria in my opinion. But that's not my overall point. The point I'm making is that Auburn runs a totally different type of run game than LSU...and drawing comparables between the two doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't mean Auburn can't still win running it on OM, but it's just a totally different type of run game IMO. Oh well, I hope you guys are all right.

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Originally Posted by engie

Say what?

Auburn is as smash mouth as it gets out of the spread. Are you getting lost in the eye candy and the non-designed Marshall runs? The don't actually have a speed/finesse back in that bunch anymore...

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Your argument is mostly correct... however, their #2 RB (Grant) may be the fastest player in the conference... he was processed by My Dark Lord.

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Originally Posted by engie

This is as full retard as you've gone on something in awhile.

They are just as good with the actually smashmouth backup QB. Or haven't you gotten that memo? Since when does the QB have to be a "smashmouth runner" to have a "smashmouth offense"? Jennings and LSU missed that memo. Auburn throws a bunch of pre-snap trickeration -- then they run right over your asses.

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When the finesse QB is a majority of their offense...that's when. And what are you talking about "backup QB"? Talk about full retard. Johnson airs it out....and why would he even be a point of reference in this? You're reaching. Don't go calling people names just because you disagree....just discuss. It makes you seem like you know you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree, but 17 carries and 100 yards rushing for Marshall go against the Smashmouth criteria in my opinion. But that's not my overall point. The point I'm making is that Auburn runs a totally different type of run game than LSU...and drawing comparables between the two doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't mean Auburn can't still win running it on OM, but it's just a totally different type of run game IMO. Oh well, I hope you guys are all right.

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What about CAP's 16 carries for 71 yards (4.4 avg) to go along with marshall's?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So did they smashmouth us? I thought our D was great against Smashmouth teams, but Auburn ran it on us. So either they aren't "smashmouth", or we don't shut down smashmouth teams and we should be more concerned with Arkansas.

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Seeing how we held their rush O to the second lowest output of the season and tied the 4th lowest in their 20 games under Malzahn, and 2 of the 3 times they've been held without a rushing TD was against us, I'd say no -- they didn't run on us very well at all. 2 of their 3 or 4 lowest rushing outputs under Malzahn have come against MSU.

Auburn is smashmouth -- and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

What about CAP's 16 carries for 71 yards (4.4 avg) to go along with marshall's?

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I acknowledged that in the OP, when I said they do run "some downhill". And not all of his runs are downhill either. Again, they may run over OM, but their run game does not mirror LSU in physicality.

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Originally Posted by engie

Seeing how we held their rush O to the second lowest output of the season and tied the 4th lowest in their 20 games under Malzahn, and 2 of the 3 times they've been held without a rushing TD was against us, I'd say no -- they didn't run on us very well at all. 2 of their 3 or 4 lowest rushing outputs under Malzahn have come against MSU.

Auburn is smashmouth -- and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference.

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Yes - Auburn is smashmouth

No - and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference. (but they are in the top 1/3)

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Originally Posted by engie

Auburn is smashmouth -- and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference.

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No they aren't....they're a great running team, but not "smashmouth". I agree that they're the best running team in the conference.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

When the finesse QB is a majority of their offense...that's when. And what are you talking about "backup QB"? Talk about full retard. Johnson airs it out....and why would he even be a point of reference in this? You're reaching. Don't go calling people names just because you disagree....just discuss. It makes you seem like you know you're wrong.

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I'm wrong yet basically everyone here agrees with me?

This is tantamount to arguing that Bama isn't smashmouth because "Blake Sims is a shifty QB that provides most of their offense"...simply because Auburn doesn't fit your description of what "smashmouth" is in traditional terms. They run over your ass. That = smashmouth. I can't believe this is even a discussion. It's surreal.

"Finesse?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvRcEU8Pr4

A&M and TSUN are basically the only two teams in the West that are not smash mouth running teams.

Regardless, Bo better hope he at least gets two seconds to throw a bubble screen this week cause auburn is gonna blow up that offensive line

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Originally Posted by engie

I'm wrong yet basically everyone here agrees with me?

This is tantamount to arguing that Bama isn't smashmouth because "Blake Sims is a shifty QB that provides most of their offense"...simply because Auburn doesn't fit your description of what "smashmouth" is in traditional terms. They run over your ass. That = smashmouth. I can't believe this is even a discussion. It's surreal.

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Engine gonna Engine. Another "discussion" that Engine can't help but turn in to an "I'm right you're wrong" rant. Even though you can't prove you're right and that's not even what the thread was about.

Bottom line. Auburn isn't going to run 12 straight times between the tackles, so it will not be a comparable test for OM. Still may work, but AU's run game isn't as smash mouth IMO. If you disagree, great...don't care. You always do.

Now, do any of you normal posters want to continue a normal discussion that doesn't include calling people "tards" if they disagree with you? I'm all ears if so.

You're right, this was pretty unpopular. If Auburn does what they do and OM does what they do, Auburn wins.

One thing I'll be watching closely is how they defend Nick Marshall. He's not Dak, but you have to respect his legs and it might give us an indicator of what we'll see later.

I don't understand how this is even being debated.

Auburn not smashmouth? Hells yeah, they are smashmouth. They are extremely physical. They will dominate both lines of scrimmage.

Auburn is going to throttle Ole Miss. It will be a laugher. Once again, I don't even understand how it can be debated. Even if the Ole Miss defense plays out of this world, Auburn is going to score some points. Nobody with a lick of sense can surely say that Ole Miss is going to be able to outscore Auburn.

Believe me now, or believe me later.

Auburn will be our most impressive win this year, no matter who we play going forward. By the end of the year, that LSU win is going to look damn good too.

I'm cool with people disagreeing. Auburn ran more times East/West than they did North/South the last several games. That's not what I would call "smash mouth" or "downhill", which is my point. If others call it smash mouth and downhill that's fine. I still think OM can use their speed more vs Au than they could vs LSU.