This is the kind of stuff that makes me afraid Ray will never get it done at MSU...

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

How's that for insane

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Yep, still insane.

You keep moving the goalposts. First it's, 'Just fill the roster, I don't care who it is'. Then it's, 'I don't care if the roster is full, the players aren't good enough'. Then it's, 'Look at Tennessee, they were able to add a bunch of players!' Then when someone points out that we have no idea how good those 8 players are, you respond with, 'It doesn't matter how good they are, we can't even fill the roster!' Then we get a transfer to fill the roster, and it's back to a quality argument...

I love these threads it is Dawg61 vs smoot and engie .By the way by not getting the Wake Forest transfer or Lang what chance does Ray have with Newman. When he loses Newman the moving truck will be pulling up to his backdoor.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Hell yes, C222. Dropping knowledge, I love it. And good info. Any others you know of?

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The fact of the matter is this. The dumpster fire that Rick Ray inherited was as bad as the dumpster fire that Scott Drew inherited at Baylor. Scott Drew didn't have a winning season at Baylor until his 5th year. This program was such a dumpster fire that the likes of Bryce Drew and the Murray State coach wanted no part of it.

The hate on Rick Ray has very little to do with the product on the floor and has everything to do with who he isn't. He isn't Kenny Payne and doesn't have Kenny's connection with the handlers of the AAU racket. He can coach circles around Kenny Payne from an x's and o's standpoint though.

This horse has been beaten beyond death, it's a bloody pulp now. Wait one more year, and then we will all know where the basketball program stands and be able to judge it and Ray. For now just keep calm about it all, and grow out your wool for football season.

He's filling the last spot with an undersized bench player that won't play this year so nope I'm not gonna count that bullshit. Replace the 13th spot with someone that will actually help us THIS YEAR. Doesn't matter cause he won't get him anyways.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

He's filling the last spot with an undersized bench player that won't play this year so nope I'm not gonna count that bullshit. Replace the 13th spot with someone that will actually help us THIS YEAR. Doesn't matter cause he won't get him anyways.

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Like I said, constantly moving the goalposts. I don't know why I keep getting sucked into this.

I understand that this is a slower process for us than it would be for a Duke or someone, but we need to at least start competing. Meaning no more losing by 30, losing to TCU at home, stuff like that. I don't think it should be anything like winning the NIT or getting to the NCAA or fire him, but we need to be competitive or we won't be able to recruit, win in the future, etc

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Originally Posted by KB21

The fact of the matter is this. The dumpster fire that Rick Ray inherited was as bad as the dumpster fire that Scott Drew inherited at Baylor. Scott Drew didn't have a winning season at Baylor until his 5th year. This program was such a dumpster fire that the likes of Bryce Drew and the Murray State coach wanted no part of it.

The hate on Rick Ray has very little to do with the product on the floor and has everything to do with who he isn't. He isn't Kenny Payne and doesn't have Kenny's connection with the handlers of the AAU racket. He can coach circles around Kenny Payne from an x's and o's standpoint though.

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Um no Ray wasn't left with a program that had a player GET MURDERED. Comparing Drew and Ray is ridiculous. Drew had to deal with major punishments dealt out by the NCAA including half a season not being allowed to play any games. Oh yea and one of the players got MURDERED. In these circles that Ray coaches around Payne include how to beat a 1-3-1 zone? Payne could go eat hotdogs with Calipari while his Nike All-Stars rip new assholes into Ray's x's and o's masters of basketball fundamentals.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Um no Ray wasn't left with a program that had a player GET MURDERED. Comparing Drew and Ray is ridiculous. Drew had to deal with major punishments dealt out by the NCAA including half a season not being allowed to play any games. Oh yea and one of the players got MURDERED. In these circles that Ray coaches around Payne include how to beat a 1-3-1 zone? Payne could go eat hotdogs with Calipari while his Nike All-Stars rip new assholes into Ray's x's and o's masters of basketball fundamentals.

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So you support cheating to win. Just admit it, like I said earlier. This is obviously why you have mentioned a known cheater in Bruce Pearl in this thread and also support the way Kentucky puts those Nike All Star teams together. Personally, I don't support cheating.

Anyone who wanted Kenny Payne should be automatically banned from the discussion.

Late to this awesome party ** - serious question: Didn't Auburn have 2 of the top 3 or 4 scorers in the SEC this year and still finish near the bottom? Can we all agree that scoring 25 ppg for Niagara is different than for some other actually recognizable NCAA team? My point is this: why is this no-name transfer causing y'all to return to this vomit of an argument? I am open to correction and may be wrong, but typically in college basketball, more even distribution of scoring leads to higher chances of winning (see UK and UF in the SEC). This guy may go for 30 against us (hopefully not), but that doesn't mean we automatically lose. Again, let's wait and see what happens in a few months. And let's at least use this offseason to enjoy our football hype and not tear each other up over the same recycled basketball thread.

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So you support cheating to win. Just admit it, like I said earlier. This is obviously why you have mentioned a known cheater in Bruce Pearl in this thread and also support the way Kentucky puts those Nike All Star teams together. Personally, I don't support cheating.

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Ever heard the phrases not cheating if you don't get caught and ain't cheating ya ain't trying?

I'm not saying we should cheat, but we should be better than we are

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Ever heard the phrases not cheating if you don't get caught and ain't cheating ya ain't trying?

I'm not saying we should cheat, but we should be better than we are

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It's not a foul if the Ref doesn't blow the whistle. Ray is raiding Samford for a guys scoring 11 a game? Sounds about right.

Hey, we should be loaded this year. Haven't you guys seen the practice videos we have been releasing?

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Originally Posted by smootness

We would be at 13 whether he's able to play immediately or not.

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I pray we sign a guy at Sanderson to get to 13 just to get him to shut up about the 13 full roster. Who cares if we are at 13 if number 13 can't play dead? Being full in itself doesn't mean crap. But it makes dawg61 happy.

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The fact of the matter is this. The dumpster fire that Rick Ray inherited was as bad as the dumpster fire that Scott Drew inherited at Baylor. Scott Drew didn't have a winning season at Baylor until his 5th year. This program was such a dumpster fire that the likes of Bryce Drew and the Murray State coach wanted no part of it.

The hate on Rick Ray has very little to do with the product on the floor and has everything to do with who he isn't. He isn't Kenny Payne and doesn't have Kenny's connection with the handlers of the AAU racket. He can coach circles around Kenny Payne from an x's and o's standpoint though.

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How can you say that? Kenny Payne has done a great job head coaching at ........**********

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Originally Posted by KB21

So you support cheating to win. Just admit it, like I said earlier. This is obviously why you have mentioned a known cheater in Bruce Pearl in this thread and also support the way Kentucky puts those Nike All Star teams together. Personally, I don't support cheating.

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I haven't once said we should be cheating. You said that. Twice. You really think Donnie Tyndall just showed up and started cheating his ass off to sign 8 new players in a month? I don't think so. Ray's direct competition is Calipari, Pearl, Donovan, Kennedy, Martin etc.. and those coaches are having no issues signing immediate impact transfers. We haven't signed one. It's about to be year three. Not one. Tyndall signed 3 transfers in less than 30 days. MSU has signed 0 in 850 days. Zero.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The fact of the matter is this. The dumpster fire that Rick Ray inherited was as bad as the dumpster fire that Scott Drew inherited at Baylor. Scott Drew didn't have a winning season at Baylor until his 5th year. This program was such a dumpster fire that the likes of Bryce Drew and the Murray State coach wanted no part of it.

The hate on Rick Ray has very little to do with the product on the floor and has everything to do with who he isn't. He isn't Kenny Payne and doesn't have Kenny's connection with the handlers of the AAU racket. He can coach circles around Kenny Payne from an x's and o's standpoint though.

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comparing the state of the MSU program when Ray got here to the Baylor when Drew got there may be the most insane thing I have seen posted on this message board.

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comparing the state of the MSU program when Ray got here to the Baylor when Drew got there may be the most insane thing I have seen posted on this message board.

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Agreed x1000. Oh well, it will play out one way or the other and someone is going to have a mountain of egg on their face. I am leaning towards Ray doesn't work out but that is just me.

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Originally Posted by jimbo352

JMO.... The sooner we admit the Rick Ray experiment was a failure, the faster we can get back to being a top tier SEC BB program.

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Depends on whether or not he gets the crootin machine together.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

we are gonna stick with ray for 2 more years with no progress and then no one is gonna wanna coach here.

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Kenny Payne will apparently still be available.