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04-28-2014, 03:45 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

Anyway, I know there are varying opinions. And we are a laughing stock, you guys don't want to see it. When they list out the past champions and the year, you will see. I hope the champion banner will be on our stadium soon. National or SEC. If you are satisfied without winning a championship every year, I feel for you. If you are just satisfied with going to Omaha to soak in the atmosphere, poke your chest out, etc, then what are thinking? I would think most fans want a championship! Why do you want to keep saying, we went to Omaha in such and such year....

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Originally Posted by MsStateBaseball

You guys don't get it. I didn't say everyone is laughing at us. A few are when we start talking about our legacy, etc. BTW, I was the first one on twitter talking about this, if you didn't know. I was taking the brunt of it when we were losing badly. I joined January 2009, before the school, before Jim Ellis, etc. I took it upon my self to talk baseball with these other baseball fan bases. It comes down to conf champs or natl champs. We have been one but it was 1989 and not a natl champ. I along with many want both.

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Originally Posted by Will James

Of course the generic "Omaha" is better than a SEC Championship because "Omaha" means a chance at a National Championship.

But..

Would you rather have a year like Vanderbilt last year, dominating the SEC all year, and falling short of Omaha

or

a 2007 MSU type year where you make Omaha but go two and out.

So you gotta choose, which year would you prefer

MSU 54-12 (26-3).. loses in Supers

MSU 38-22 (15-13).. 0-2 in Omaha

Given those choices gimme 54-12, no Omaha

ETA saw where the diary stated something similar on this point. Agreed I'd take national runner up over SEC Champ, but Vandy year over 0-2 in Omaha

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04-28-2014, 03:55 PM
C222

Why is the hell would anyone choose anything other than a trip to Omaha and a chance at a National Title? That is amazing to me.
04-28-2014, 04:01 PM
Will James

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Originally Posted by C222

Why is the hell would anyone choose anything other than a trip to Omaha and a chance at a National Title? That is amazing to me.

Exactly, you wouldn't choose that over a generic Omaha trip.

But who had the better year, 2007 MSU or 2013 Vanderbilt.

I'd take a SEC Championship over a for-sure 0-2 trip to Omaha.
04-28-2014, 04:35 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by Will James

Exactly, you wouldn't choose that over a generic Omaha trip.

But who had the better year, 2007 MSU or 2013 Vanderbilt.

I'd take a SEC Championship over a for-sure 0-2 trip to Omaha.

It's not about who had the better year dumbass. It's about what's better...an SEC title or OMAHA. Don't twist this debate because your stance is more unpopular than Donald Sterling. I think you popped off some shit at me one time about you can't make your choice AFTER it's over. There are NO for sure 0-2 in OMAHA. Ever.

Generic OMAHA trip? What the **** are you talking about?!? OMAHA is OMAHA. You don't have any ****ing idea how hard it is to get to OMAHA. You know why? Because it goes back to the fact that you don't know how the game of baseball is really played. And because you act like an expert on the game that makes you the stupidest muther****er that has ever posted about baseball on any message board that has ever existed on the interwebs. Generic OMAHA? Jesus h Christ that's moronic. I didn't think you could get stupider but you've proven me wrong.
04-28-2014, 04:40 PM
Will James

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

It's not about who had the better year dumbass. It's about what's better...an SEC title or OMAHA. Don't twist this debate because your stance is more unpopular than Donald Sterling. I think you popped off some shit at me one time about you can't make your choice AFTER it's over. There are NO for sure 0-2 in OMAHA. Ever.

Generic OMAHA trip? What the **** are you talking about?!? OMAHA is OMAHA. You don't have any ****ing idea how hard it is to get to OMAHA. You know why? Because it goes back to the fact that you don't know how the game of baseball is really played. And because you act like an expert on the game that makes you the stupidest muther****er that has ever posted about baseball on any message board that has ever existed on the interwebs. Generic OMAHA? Jesus h Christ that's moronic. I didn't think you could get stupider but you've proven me wrong.

lets see if Scoobadawg gives you a warning for this one**

You have very few logical brain cells. All I'm saying is I'd rather go 54-12 than go 0-2 in Omaha
04-28-2014, 04:48 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Will James

lets see if Scoobadawg gives you a warning for this one**

You have very few logical brain cells. All I'm saying is I'd rather go 54-12 than go 0-2 in Omaha

So, would you rather your favorite MLB team have the best record in baseball than get swept in the World Series?
04-28-2014, 04:52 PM
Will James

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So, would you rather your favorite MLB team have the best record in baseball than get swept in the World Series?

No that would be runner up, I already said I'd take a runner up over 54-12.

Its different on all accounts because a division win isn't as prestigious as a conference championship but just for shits and giggles I'd rather be 130-32 and lose the play-in game than be 82-82 and lose in the ALDS
04-28-2014, 04:59 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by Will James

No that would be runner up, I already said I'd take a runner up over 54-12.

Its different on all accounts because a division win isn't as prestigious as a conference championship but just for shits and giggles I'd rather be 130-32 and lose the play-in game than be 82-82 and lose in the ALDS

Zero of what you are saying is close to the discussion at this point because you don't understand what it's about because your argument was stupid in the first place and has gotten worse. What would you rather have..SEC or OMAHA? It's either or. Very simple.
04-28-2014, 05:00 PM
Todd4State

I can't believe I'm having to explain this, and for most on this board I'm pretty sure you realize this BUT since there are a few....

In order of importance:

1. Winning a NC. Should be self explanatory.

2. Going to Omaha. Vanderbilt had a better season than us record wise. But which team was talked about more during the offseason? THAT'S WHY.

3. Super Regional. This signifies that you are one of the top 25 teams in the country without a doubt. This is my personal minimal expectation as far as having a good season. We go to a SR every year, and I'm not going to complain. Especially since Cohen has gotten us to Omaha, so it's not like Stansbury.

4. SEC Championship/SEC Tournament Championship. About the same to me. Our fans covet the regular season championship more since we haven't won one since 1989. Winning the SEC Tournament is fun, I enjoy it when we win- but in the grand national scheme it doesn't really mean a lot. Same with a SEC Championship- it's fun to win and a good goal to have, but in the grand national scheme, it doesn't mean a lot. And when I say grand national scheme I mean final polls and national exposure. The fact of the matter is the SR's and CWS are on TV to a larger audience and that's what makes it more prestigious. Going 0-2 in the CWS helps us more from a national aspect than winning the SEC. Which is very important since we have already taken over Mississippi and we need guys like Gavin Collins to fill in the spots.

5. Governor's Cup. It's important for in state recruiting and is a lot of years the biggest game in the state of Mississippi. A record crowd saw us beat Ole Miss this year- winning that game simply creates momentum.

6. Winning a prestigious OOC tournament. Fun to win, but very few remember that you win them.
04-28-2014, 05:02 PM
drunkernhelldawg

I'd rather have the SEC reg. season title than just go to Omaha. Now I'd rather win Omaha, but it has been way too long since an SEC title and we've "been to Omaha" three or four times since then. Even coming in second last season does not have the staying power that an SEC Championship would. Competition is about winning championships. Everything else is a little less. Maybe it's that we've been to Omaha several times, but it's not even a close call for me. An SEC title is always a season to remember. Omaha, sorta, but not always.
04-28-2014, 05:05 PM
State82

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

SEC or OMAHA? It's either or. Very simple.

Yep. Black and white. Nobody in the college baseball world pays any attention to who wins overall conference championships or tournament championships, generally. But they pay a whole lot of attention to the 8 that end up at college baseball's sacred ground. It is 2 weeks of college baseball heaven. And I want to be there at all costs and at every opportunity. Even if we never win another SEC championship.
04-28-2014, 05:05 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Will James

No that would be runner up, I already said I'd take a runner up over 54-12.

Its different on all accounts because a division win isn't as prestigious as a conference championship but just for shits and giggles I'd rather be 130-32 and lose the play-in game than be 82-82 and lose in the ALDS

You mean 81-81?

82 + 82 = 164
04-28-2014, 05:08 PM
Will James

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

I'd rather have the SEC reg. season title than just go to Omaha.

This makes you the stupidest mother****er to ever post apparently.
04-28-2014, 05:08 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You mean 81-81?

82 + 82 = 164

Yeah the guru of baseball knowledge strikes again.
04-28-2014, 05:10 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by Will James

This makes you the stupidest mother****er to ever post apparently.

Nope not close. Your resume is so strong no one can get in the same universe.
04-28-2014, 05:10 PM
drunkernhelldawg

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Originally Posted by Will James

This makes you the stupidest mother****er to ever post apparently.

I'm in the line with you. What's that scarecrow doing here with us?
04-28-2014, 05:10 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

I'd rather have the SEC reg. season title than just go to Omaha. Now I'd rather win Omaha, but it has been way too long since an SEC title and we've "been to Omaha" three or four times since then. Even coming in second last season does not have the staying power that an SEC Championship would. Competition is about winning championships. Everything else is a little less. Maybe it's that we've been to Omaha several times, but it's not even a close call for me. An SEC title is always a season to remember. Omaha, sorta, but not always.

Both would be seasons to remember. I can't remember a season where I thought, "well we went to Omaha but nothing memorable happened."

Big picture- Omaha is better, and therefore preferable.
04-28-2014, 05:23 PM
drunkernhelldawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Both would be seasons to remember. I can't remember a season where I thought, "well we went to Omaha but nothing memorable happened."

Big picture- Omaha is better, and therefore preferable.

I think this whole idea of playing for prestige is flawed. I think we need to play because we're obsessed with competition.
04-28-2014, 05:32 PM
I seen it dawg

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

I think this whole idea of playing for prestige is flawed. I think we need to play because we're obsessed with competition.

Getting to OMAHA is competing at the highest level. We don't play for prestige. Prestige is winning the SEC. It doesn't mean anything in the big picture. Omaha is competition.
04-28-2014, 05:44 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

I think this whole idea of playing for prestige is flawed. I think we need to play because we're obsessed with competition.

That makes zero sense.

Look at LSU before and after their dynasty in the 1990's. If we're obsessed with competition, Omaha and winning the NC needs to be the goal. If we do that, we will gain prestige.

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