Engie....on the baseball stadium......

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Originally Posted by engie

So, it should be left alone to wither away then?

Sorry -- I disagree with 100% of what you said here.

And they aren't going to mess up LFL.

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you disagree that it's special? that it has a culture about it? That DNF is not sacred to many of our fans?

You're wrong.

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

Why did we need to bowl in the football stadium? We could have just brought in some bigger bleachers to accommodate everyone. It won't help us win any games. What a total waste of money.**
Why did we need to build basketball and football practice facilities? It's not like the football team will be any better because of it. These things won't help us win any games. What a total waste of money.**

You build new facilities to elevate your program, attract recruits, accommodate fans, etc. Technically we don't NEED a new baseball stadium- just like we didn't NEED to bowl in the football stadium or build new practice facilities. No, these facility upgrades don't directly impact wins and losses, but they do impact the prestige/level of your program- which in turn does affect wins and losses.

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Glad to see you agree.

Look I get what you're saying. I realize all that. Contrary to many internet sheep, I am FAR from an idiot. I do disagree with this:

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

DNF/PDS is absolutely, positively NOT a top facility. Not even close.

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That's wrong, pal. Just because it's older doesn't mean it's not nice. Players love playing there, visiting fans love coming. Just because you had to stand in line at the concession stand doesn't mean it's not a top venue. This is simply where we disagree, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by messageboardsuperhero

Yes, if you have connections, it is a fantastic place to watch baseball. The problem is, new fans don't have connections- thus their experience is awful. This is why most of the people who love MSU baseball are older. They got in on a sweetheart, good ole boy deal and have unintentionally shut out the majority of the next generation of MSU fans.

Don't get me wrong, I love our older fans, but we need to have a spot for new fans too. And finding/making a spot for new fans will be extremely difficult if we try to keep the current grandstand.

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100% agree. I am just not convinced that a new grandstand is the ONLY way to do this.

Thank you for a reasonable response.

exactly- if you cant get on a rig or sit in chairbacks- Dudy Noble sucks

You couldnt pay me to sit in those bleachers. 1989 was first and last time to ever do that shit

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

I don't want to put lipstick on a pig. But we do need to consider the 'do-nothing' alternative. I wouldn't do anything based on 'what we deserve'. We don't deserve shit, we've never even won a national title. If we can make money with this thing, I'm all for it. But I don't want to go broke doing it. Show me the money. And not some bullshit data that engie thunk up one day while sitting in his lonely glow of his cubicle. Some of our fans bitch about the Farm Bureau sign, have you seen the 14 signs behind Alex Box's plate? Tony's and all kinds of stuff. That's what this is going to be. How can we guarantee we won't suck in 5 years and attendance goes away? We need to win big first and CEMENT our fanbase. We're a damn fickle bunch, I know. I was there during Polk II, 2009 and 2010. Actually THIS year is the first year our attendance has been respectable again. Not last year, outside SBW and Regionals. LSU and Carolina fill their shit up for EVERY series.

I want to see the numbers before I go all in on an idea. SECN money? BC? Corporation donations? No one knows (not even engine). That's probably also why we're not seeing a huge push to make this happen overnight, like so many think.

On the stadium, of course I'd like to have a brand new awesome stadium, who wouldn't. Don't put words in my mouth to try and argue.

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The do nothing alternative is completely out the window. The administration wouldn't have held multiple town hall meetings and hired a damn architecture dream team if they had any intention on "doing nothing."

I personally don't mind a few ads. If that's what it takes to pay the bills, so be it.

I don't know about South Carolina, but as for LSU's attendance, did you watch any of our games in Baton Rouge this year? That place was only halfway full. We've had better actual attendance this year in each our SEC series than they had in the series against us. I believe the three day actual total was something like 15,000-16,000- so don't give me this line about LSU "filling their stadium up" when I've seen first hand that they haven't.

As for money, I have absolutely no idea how Stricklin is planning on raising it- I don't work for him or have access to any of that information. How in the world should I know about who's donating what for this? Do we have an unlimited supply of money to throw at this? No, but it's probably not as bad as you're making it out to be. And yes, this new grandstand/stadium absolutely would make us more money- there's no doubt about that.

I have a family of 3 and I would buy chairbacks right freaking now if they would sell them to me.

I lost some faith in what Scott will do with the stadium when he said he thought berms were a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We're going to build a new stadium. For the life of me, I can't understand why this bothers people

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Let's see what they come up with this summer.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Address the money issue.

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Money wont be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

you disagree that it's special? that it has a culture about it? That DNF is not sacred to many of our fans?

You're wrong.

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Our people and culture is what's special.

The field and concrete are nothing. They are just there for the party.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

That's wrong, pal. Just because it's older doesn't mean it's not nice. Players love playing there, visiting fans love coming.

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You have more trouble than anyone else I've ran into in understanding what it REALLY is that makes Dudy Noble special. Thanks for coming out with the ridiculousness again in this thread though after all this time.

Saying Dudy Noble is "nice" is like saying Petty's is "nice". No, it isn't. Can it be "good"? Yes. Nice? Hell no. It's so nice they have a half dozen floor unit AC's in the hallways of the skyboxes. "Nice" indeed...

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Just because you had to stand in line at the concession stand doesn't mean it's not a top venue.

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Stand in like for concessions, stand in line to pee, can't see the game from the concourses, can't see the game from anywhere other than their seats. That's what make it "not a top venue." Anyone that's been to a single game at Trustmark Park and still call Dudy Noble a "top venue" are of questionable intelligence. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by engie

Our people and culture is what's special.

The field and concrete are nothing. They are just there for the party.

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the rigs are a big party of what makes it special like I said earlier.

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

That's wrong, pal. Just because it's older doesn't mean it's not nice. Players love playing there, visiting fans love coming. Just because you had to stand in line at the concession stand doesn't mean it's not a top venue. This is simply where we disagree, nothing more.

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I strongly disagree with you.

Yes, players love playing here and fans (who have connections) love coming- but this is due to the ATMOSPHERE and not the aesthetics/amenities of the stadium. We can keep the atmosphere and have college baseball's #1 stadium if we start over- in other words, it would be a best of both worlds.

Currently, this is how I'd rank SEC West baseball stadiums (in other words, the teams we compete against) based on aesthetics and amenities:

1. LSU
2. Arkansas
3/4. UM and A&M
5. Auburn
6. MSU
7. Bama

The problem is, Bama is about to throw $35 million at their stadium and pass at least us and Auburn, and they'll probably pass UM and A&M as well. Something has to be done. And I'm sure you're about to say "DNF is better than Auburn." Well, the atmosphere is much better- but I'm talking about the actual quality of the grandstand, not the atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by engie

You have more trouble than anyone else I've ran into in understanding what it REALLY is that makes Dudy Noble special. Thanks for coming out with the ridiculousness again in this thread though after all this time.

Saying Dudy Noble is "nice" is like saying Petty's is "nice". No, it isn't. Can it be "good"? Yes. Nice? Hell no. It's so nice they have a half dozen floor unit AC's in the hallways of the skyboxes. "Nice" indeed...


Stand in like for concessions, stand in line to pee, can't see the game from the concourses, can't see the game from anywhere other than their seats. That's what make it "not a top venue." Anyone that's been to a single game at Trustmark Park and still call Dudy Noble a "top venue" are of questionable intelligence. Sorry.

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Goat is impossible. He just doesn't get it....and many other other things. 30 days wasn't enough.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

the rigs are a big party of what makes it special like I said earlier.

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No one denies that. Nor will that part of it be going away.

Dudy Noble is basically Smith Wills grandstand wise. I drew that connection as I was walking up to it from the outside on Sunday. It damn sure ain't Trustmark Park.

Why couldn't we pull a minor league franchise or a decade in that stadium? Even with renovations several times and more consistently promised? Because it just wasn't and would never have become sufficient for a minor league club without completely starting over...

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Originally Posted by engie

Our people and culture is what's special.

The field and concrete are nothing. They are just there for the party.

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that's the same thing I said. You said you disagree 100%. I'm not following.

For all those who think that all visitors think its a "great experience" to watch baseball at DNF why don't you ask a friend who's never been to DNF to attend a weekend series with you. Sit in the bleachers for all three games and see what the friend thinks of the "experience". Sitting in the bleachers is a shitty experience and for a lot of people it is the only way they can watch a game at DNF.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

that's the same thing I said. You said you disagree 100%. I'm not following.

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Saying "Dudy Noble is special" implies something totally different than "the people that make up LFL are special"... You implied that any changes out there will burst the bubble -- when in reality, it changes every single year anyway...

You and engine really should take a hint from messageboardsuperhero on how to post. It's possible to disagree without being an idiot. I think you and engine suck pretty hard, but I didn't tell you that until now. But by all means, ban me because I don't agree with you. Pathetic, pal.

I look at it like football stadiums. Nobody cares how old Bryant Denny or Neyland area, they are still considered outstanding venues. I mean, there comes a point where you have to replace things, sure. Bottom line I feel like we're doing this prematurely.